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#1 Bad Bob

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 03:58 PM

There are certain things that seem to be of concern only to .223 Saiga owners (for example, the 'extended' bullet guide that works so well with the Bulgy & Galil 5.56 mags, and perhaps .223 'compliance' parts, like US-made .223/5.56 magazine floorplates, followers, etc.). Would it be worthwhile to post a new "Important Topic" on the .223 forum, covering those unique issues?

Dinzag could post info on his 'extended' bullet guides (which I don't think are needed with 7.62 Saigas), and we could include links to vjor's thread(s) on making your own, for those that want to go that way. Plus info (or link to a seperate thread) on .223/5.56 mag availability / benfits / problems (best place to get Orlites, or Weigers, etc.). Plus maybe links to any threads covering US-made parts for .223/5.56 mags, to help meet 'compliance' requirements (for example, Havoc308 figured out how to convert M-16 'green' followers to work in Orlites - http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=13611 - and I just found a source for new 'green' followers at only $0.29 each). Maybe links to any important info on .223/5.56 ammo? Maybe even .223/5.56 muzzle devices (can't use M-16 devices or .223 brakes on a 7.62 Saiga, obviously)...

You could post it up top here, instead of that 'parts oven' thread (which can go someplace else, if needed, because it applies to any Saiga you want to refinish, not just .223s). What do you think? Stupid idea? Or worth considering? Please post any ideas you've got...
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 12:53 PM

The Democrat's new, worse-than-ever, proposed Federal 'assault weapons ban:'

http://www.govtrack....?bill=h110-1022

(Didn't take them long to remind us who they really are, now did it? Adios Saigas, and Garands, and 10/22s, and... )


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1) Home-made bullet guide for using .223/5.56 Galil (including Orlite) and Bulgarian mags in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=12273

(Thanks, vjor! Additional thanks to AKMIKEFMJ and angrydutchman! ;>)


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2) Commercial bullet guide for using .223/5.56 Galil (including Orlite) and Bulgarian mags in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...mp;#entry120821

(Thanks, dinzag! ;>)


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3) Magazine options for your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...t...st&id=10223

(Thanks, dinzag! ;>)



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4) Magazine modifications possibly required to use .223/5.56 steel Galil mags in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=15274

(Thanks, ArcFault! ;>)

http://forum.saiga-1...mp;#entry114823

(My experience - your mileage may vary… ;>)


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5) A possible source for new or used .223/5.56 mags for your .223 Saiga:

Galil mags:

http://www.cdnninves...emagazines.html

(Thanks, Hylndr & CDNN! ;>)

http://rapidfire.tar...59.30948*506vU6

(Thanks, Oswald2001 & ORF! ;>)


German Weiger mags (apparently 'sold out' as of 4/2/07):

http://www.tickbites...om/davids1.html

("MAG-ACC-AK223 $25.99")


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6) Home-modified magazine ‘compliance’ (US-made) followers for use with .223/5.56 Galil Orlite mags in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=13611

(Thanks, Havoc308! ;>)


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7) Home-made magazine ‘compliance’ (US-made) floorplates, aluminum or steel, for use with .223/5.56 Galil mags (including Orlite) in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=13285

(My experience - your mileage may vary… ;>)


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I know there are more out there. And if I neglected to thank anyone for their original ideas or hard work, I apologize up front...

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8) Commercial ‘compliance’ (US-made) gas pistons for use with your .223 Saiga:

http://www.k-var.com...d...=277&page=2

(It's my understanding that the .223 Saiga uses AK-74-type pistons, not AK-47-type-pistons. Plus, K-VARs ‘compliance’ butt stocks & pistol grips look & function great – IMHO… ;>)

9) US-made .223/5.56 mags for your Saiga (3 'compliance' parts - bullet guide required):

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=13782

(Thanks everyone who provided input! ;>)

10) The difference between .223 Remington & 5.56mm NATO:

Guntoter’s post:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=14717

(Please read all of the posts on this thread…)

Guntoter’s link:

http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

FWIW, I have used, and continue to use, Malaysian 5.56mm NATO ammo (considered by some to be a bit ‘hot’) in my .223 Saiga, with no problems whatsoever. Of course, my Saiga isn’t a ‘full-auto.’ But I find it a little hard to believe that Izhmash would pay for commercial .223 tooling to produce Saigas for export, when they already had tooling available from the production of 5.56mm NATO AKs (PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong).

Obviously, your mileage (and Saiga) may vary, etc., etc…


11) 5.56mm NATO duty loads:

http://www.tacticalf...c;f=78;t=001244

(Thanks, DocGKR! ;>)

And then there's the "Ammo Oracle:"

http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm

(Thanks, easy610! ;>)

12) Used AK-74 metal 'Tantal' mags:

http://dpharms.com/u...mags-p-221.html

(Has anybody tried these? The price is great - about half the price of a Weiger - and DPH Arms is a great company! ;>)

13) Current .223/5.56 ammo prices:

http://www.ar15.com/...&...16&t=318515

(Thanks, guys! ;>)


14) Various important warnings:

http://smithplanet.c...ff/warnings.htm

(Better safe than sorry... ;>)

15) Details on my build (which might be useful to some folks, based on recent posts):

http://forum.saiga-1...o...&hl=economy

(No need to reinvent the wheel... ;>)

16) Saiga conversion to use Galil M-16 / AR-15 mag adapter:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=17312

(Thanks, dyi! ;>)

Edited by Bvamp, 26 June 2007 - 11:02 PM.
Condensed topic for pinning 6/27/07

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:04 PM

topic title edited, posts merged, excess deleted, topic pinned.

thanks to Bad Bob for condensing this information for us, as well as taking the time to share it as a pinned topic that is clear and concise, etc etc...
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:03 PM

5) A possible source for new or used .223/5.56 mags for your .223 Saiga:

German Weiger mags...

As of January 3, 2008, Century has "German 30 Rd. AK... Steel, Cal.223" mags (Product ID: MA1050) listed for $26.95:

http://www.centuryar...asp?prod=MA1050

Edited by Bad Bob, 04 January 2008 - 07:18 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:50 PM

5) A possible source for new or used .223/5.56 mags for your .223 Saiga:

German Weiger mags...

As of January 3, 2008, Century has "German 30 Rd. AK... Steel, Cal.223" mags (Product ID: MA1050) listed for $26.95:

http://www.centuryar...asp?cat=27&pg=4

As of January 3, 2008, Century has "WASR-3 30 rd. Hi-Cap Steel Magazine, Cal. .223" (Product ID: MA1043) listed for $22.95:

http://www.centuryar...asp?prod=MA1043

These are Romanian knock-offs of the Weiger and work just fine in my .223 AKs. The only difference I can see is in the finish.
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Posted 10 April 2008 - 04:28 AM

Guys, I have read both answers here on this. If I use Surefire mags with my 223 Saiga, a stock mag right out of the package, will it work and feed correctly? I keep reading and one will say "man I have had no probs", then I read "man they suck". Which is true? What is the consensus? If they need modification why would people buy em at 40 bucks a pop? Does this prob exist with all caliber Surefires? Thanks guys.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 09:37 AM

17) AR-15 mag adapter:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=32081

(Thanks, renegadebuck! ;>)

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18) Commercial ‘compliance’ (US-made) mag followers for possible use with Galil Orlites:

http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=33021

(Thanks, protected static, for the source, price & part numbers! ;>)

Edited by Bad Bob, 26 December 2008 - 09:44 AM.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 10:09 AM

Guys, I have read both answers here on this. If I use Surefire mags with my 223 Saiga, a stock mag right out of the package, will it work and feed correctly? I keep reading and one will say "man I have had no probs", then I read "man they suck". Which is true? What is the consensus? If they need modification why would people buy em at 40 bucks a pop? Does this prob exist with all caliber Surefires? Thanks guys.



I use both Promag and Surefire Sagia specific magazines with my 223 SAIGA with no modification to magazine or weapon. They work great
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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:13 PM

19) Another Saiga conversion tutorial (I haven't been all the way through it, but it looks excellent, with great photos!):

http://www.stu-offro...iga/saiga-1.htm

(Thanks, arizona98tj! ;>)
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 10:04 PM

And this link for some more illustrations in conversion as well. http://www.cross-con...rsion/index.htm
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Posted 21 July 2009 - 11:41 PM

2) Commercial bullet guide for using .223/5.56 Galil (including Orlite) and Bulgarian mags in your .223 Saiga:

http://forum.saiga-1...mp;#entry120821

(Thanks, dinzag! ;>)



im getting a bronken link for this. anyone else?

Edited by GregM1, 21 July 2009 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:21 PM

I having issues with my 223 Saiga, all original except using Surefire mag's. The round will start the load and hit the side of the barrel, approximately 20% off center. Doesn't seem to do it with the stock mag, although I haven't put as many rounds through the stock mag as the Surefires.
I tried sanding (400 grit) the plate in the Surefire as it seemed to be catching the back of the round in the hole for the spring. Seemed to work at first but still getting a jam.
Any idea's

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 09:21 PM

So, your saying that your having issues withe the Surefire mag AND NOT the Russian Factory mag?
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Posted 18 January 2010 - 07:01 PM

Yes,the factory mag works fine, no issues. When I use the Surefires the rounds do not load correctly. No pattern to the misfeed, it csan happen after 3 rounds or 25 rounds. The bullet will impact into the side of the barrel.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:28 AM

Yes,the factory mag works fine, no issues. When I use the Surefires the rounds do not load correctly. No pattern to the misfeed, it csan happen after 3 rounds or 25 rounds. The bullet will impact into the side of the barrel.
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Are you sure you have the Surefire that has 'Saiga' stamped on the side of it? I have a Surefire and I haven't had any of those problems.




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