Bad Bob 0 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 There are certain things that seem to be of concern only to .223 Saiga owners (for example, the 'extended' bullet guide that works so well with the Bulgy & Galil 5.56 mags, and perhaps .223 'compliance' parts, like US-made .223/5.56 magazine floorplates, followers, etc.). Would it be worthwhile to post a new "Important Topic" on the .223 forum, covering those unique issues? Dinzag could post info on his 'extended' bullet guides (which I don't think are needed with 7.62 Saigas), and we could include links to vjor's thread(s) on making your own, for those that want to go that way. Plus info (or link to a seperate thread) on .223/5.56 mag availability / benfits / problems (best place to get Orlites, or Weigers, etc.). Plus maybe links to any threads covering US-made parts for .223/5.56 mags, to help meet 'compliance' requirements (for example, Havoc308 figured out how to convert M-16 'green' followers to work in Orlites - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=13611 - and I just found a source for new 'green' followers at only $0.29 each). Maybe links to any important info on .223/5.56 ammo? Maybe even .223/5.56 muzzle devices (can't use M-16 devices or .223 brakes on a 7.62 Saiga, obviously)... You could post it up top here, instead of that 'parts oven' thread (which can go someplace else, if needed, because it applies to any Saiga you want to refinish, not just .223s). What do you think? Stupid idea? Or worth considering? Please post any ideas you've got... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Bob 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Edited June 27, 2007 by Bvamp Condensed topic for pinning 6/27/07 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 topic title edited, posts merged, excess deleted, topic pinned. thanks to Bad Bob for condensing this information for us, as well as taking the time to share it as a pinned topic that is clear and concise, etc etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Bob 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) 5) A possible source for new or used .223/5.56 mags for your .223 Saiga: German Weiger mags... As of January 3, 2008, Century has "German 30 Rd. AK... Steel, Cal.223" mags (Product ID: MA1050) listed for $26.95: http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=MA1050 Edited January 5, 2008 by Bad Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 5) A possible source for new or used .223/5.56 mags for your .223 Saiga: German Weiger mags... As of January 3, 2008, Century has "German 30 Rd. AK... Steel, Cal.223" mags (Product ID: MA1050) listed for $26.95: http://www.centuryarms.biz/products.asp?cat=27&pg=4 As of January 3, 2008, Century has "WASR-3 30 rd. Hi-Cap Steel Magazine, Cal. .223" (Product ID: MA1043) listed for $22.95: http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=MA1043 These are Romanian knock-offs of the Weiger and work just fine in my .223 AKs. The only difference I can see is in the finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taclitefrite 0 Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Guys, I have read both answers here on this. If I use Surefire mags with my 223 Saiga, a stock mag right out of the package, will it work and feed correctly? I keep reading and one will say "man I have had no probs", then I read "man they suck". Which is true? What is the consensus? If they need modification why would people buy em at 40 bucks a pop? Does this prob exist with all caliber Surefires? Thanks guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Bob 0 Posted December 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) Edited December 26, 2008 by Bad Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Guys, I have read both answers here on this. If I use Surefire mags with my 223 Saiga, a stock mag right out of the package, will it work and feed correctly? I keep reading and one will say "man I have had no probs", then I read "man they suck". Which is true? What is the consensus? If they need modification why would people buy em at 40 bucks a pop? Does this prob exist with all caliber Surefires? Thanks guys. I use both Promag and Surefire Sagia specific magazines with my 223 SAIGA with no modification to magazine or weapon. They work great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Bob 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 19) Another Saiga conversion tutorial (I haven't been all the way through it, but it looks excellent, with great photos!): http://www.stu-offroad.com/firearms/saiga/saiga-1.htm (Thanks, arizona98tj! ;>) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 And this link for some more illustrations in conversion as well. http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/index.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) 2) Commercial bullet guide for using .223/5.56 Galil (including Orlite) and Bulgarian mags in your .223 Saiga: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;&do=findComment&comment=120821 (Thanks, dinzag! ;>) im getting a bronken link for this. anyone else? Edited July 22, 2009 by GregM1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcough@metrocast.net 0 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I having issues with my 223 Saiga, all original except using Surefire mag's. The round will start the load and hit the side of the barrel, approximately 20% off center. Doesn't seem to do it with the stock mag, although I haven't put as many rounds through the stock mag as the Surefires. I tried sanding (400 grit) the plate in the Surefire as it seemed to be catching the back of the round in the hole for the spring. Seemed to work at first but still getting a jam. Any idea's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 So, your saying that your having issues withe the Surefire mag AND NOT the Russian Factory mag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcough@metrocast.net 0 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Yes,the factory mag works fine, no issues. When I use the Surefires the rounds do not load correctly. No pattern to the misfeed, it csan happen after 3 rounds or 25 rounds. The bullet will impact into the side of the barrel. jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nor7 5 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes,the factory mag works fine, no issues. When I use the Surefires the rounds do not load correctly. No pattern to the misfeed, it csan happen after 3 rounds or 25 rounds. The bullet will impact into the side of the barrel. jim Are you sure you have the Surefire that has 'Saiga' stamped on the side of it? I have a Surefire and I haven't had any of those problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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