Fushigi Ojisan 0 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Noob posting I was curious if there were any loads that were simply too powerful to use. I guess I was looking at the ones where under Dram Equivanlant, it said "Max" or "Magnum" for 3" and worried that might be a bit too much. So are there any heavy/magnum loads that are too much for the Saiga 12? This is a nifty shotgun and I don't want to hurt it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 I doubt it, unless you shoot with the 2 setting on the gas cylinder. I would still get a recoil buffer tho, just to be sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 dont fire sabots generally Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 dont fire sabots generally Hey, Bvamp. What's wrong with Sabots??? Do they damage the barrel or something? I've only shot rifled slugs, but I know that Jimtanker was wanting to shoot sabots.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 i understand the nuclear fission ultra super magnum plus rounds with the saboted depleted uranium slugs have a high chamber pressure... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomme boy 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 The barrel or the choke must be rifled to be able to shoot sabots. If the gun has a regular choke in it, it will not put a spin on the round as it leave the barrel. The slug will not stabillize and will tumble. The regular foster style slugs do not spin. They are a weight forward design that will fly straight. The rifling that is on these slugs are there so that you can shoot them through any choke made. The gaps between the grooves are there so as the slug passes through the choke the slug swages down without raising the preassure of the fired round. The sabots will shoot through a regular choke, but it is not recomended. It can damage the barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 The barrel or the choke must be rifled to be able to shoot sabots. If the gun has a regular choke in it, it will not put a spin on the round as it leave the barrel. The slug will not stabillize and will tumble. The regular foster style slugs do not spin. They are a weight forward design that will fly straight. The rifling that is on these slugs are there so that you can shoot them through any choke made. The gaps between the grooves are there so as the slug passes through the choke the slug swages down without raising the preassure of the fired round. The sabots will shoot through a regular choke, but it is not recomended. It can damage the barrel. Really? I thought the whole point of sabots was that they had stablizing fins or something....? What would the be point of putting fins on something if it's already spinning. If the sabot sits inside a cup, does the rifling grab that plastic or something? I would think it would just tear it up. Is this the reason people were looking for paradox chokes? I've got an 19" Saiga 12 with the threaded barrel. I'm pretty sure it's open/no choke. I should be safe for sabots and just about anything else, right?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DHunter 1 Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Slugs of any type should NOT be fired if you have anything tighter than an improved cylinder choke on the shotgun. It will stretch-out the choke or even split the end of the barrel eventually. (Just the advice of someone who has worked in the industry and knows what he's talking about.) I started out shooting the rifled foster slugs too but I hated all the leftover lead that was always left in my barrel and the lack of accuracy. Now I use the Lyman 525gr. Sabot slug. They look like an oversized airgun pellet and can be loaded in a regular shotcup so it leaves much, much less lead in the barrel. Accuracy with these slugs has also been pretty impressive for a smoothbore gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MOS 0 Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Really? I thought the whole point of sabots was that they had stablizing fins or something....? No, the point of sabots is to wrap a smaller projo so that it fits in a larger bore, and the reduced weight causing greater degree of acceleration. They aren't self-stabalizing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Dhunter- I have been telling these guys not to shoot slugs thru a choke,nice to hear someone else preach the gosphel! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mickporno 0 Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 (edited) that's crap....you can shoot the foster style slugs all you want in any choke....the lead is soft enuff to deform and you won't hurt your barrel, the only adverse result is reduced accuracy due to the deformation of the slug....i've shot hundreds of slugs thru multiple barrels of various chokes and never hurt one of them....it's an old wives tale told up here by a bunch of old wives.... Edited September 30, 2004 by mickporno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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