SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 OK. I'm getting a 7.62x39 first, then a .308 later. (the x39 is to appease the girlfriend goddesses. Why? She doesn't like the kick on my x54r Mosin and I told her that the next rifle I bought would be more fun to shoot... plus it's cheaper ammo....) But I digress, The point is: I'm looking for a scope (Weaver) that has solid construction, good 1/2-1/4 MOA clicks. No Dot reticle, small 1MOA dot is fine but i don't want a red-dot 3MOA scope. I think first focal means that when you zoom the reticle and mils on it get smaller or larger to compensate for the increased magnification? Or is that Second Focal? Anyway, I want a 3-9x scope. I Like the PSOP because it reminds me of the SVD in so many Shooter games, but I'm worried about the Hit & Miss quality I've read about. I don't need an illuminated reticle, I don't plan on shooting 300yrds at night. The scope will be on a x39 first then on a .308 when I "upgrade" in a few months (yah, i've been saving up!) I want a Weaver scope because I can get weaver rail mounts like the UTG that sits on centerline. OK the BIG question: WHAT scope manufacturers are Quality (Not Leupold quality, this isn't a tack-driver) and still economical? I'm looking in the $200 range for max price (give or take a few). Just list what manufacturers of scopes you'd trust, then I can go from there. My friend made the mistake of buying a $20 Walmart scope that has random 1/2-2" moa clicks.... I'm willing to spend more for a scope that will last me forever as long as i don't drop it down the stairs. Thanks guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fossten 1 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Are you a lefty or righty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm a righty, but why would it matter, I was gonna get one of the "Centerline" mounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 no one has a scope manufacturer they trust? No one has one they were happy with? 3-9x zoom? Good glass, solid construction? No one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT852544.html 8.5-25x 44mm !? At 100yrds It'd look like it was 4yrds out.... $180.00 Anyone know anything about Mueller? They look good. http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT41650IGR.html 4-16x 50mm? I don't think 50mm would fit unless you use the high-rise mount right? what about 44mm? $250 for that 4x16 (illuminated) Edited October 15, 2007 by SaigaNoobie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 BSA? BUSHNELL? NIKON? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Apparently we have NO one on the boards who knows anything about Rifle optics? I guess that's what you get when dealing with the cheapest/dirtiest rifles. No one uses optics they can't buy at Walmart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm going to Bass Pro Shops tonight after work and look through the Leupold/Bushnell/Nikon Scopes. I've read GREAT things about the Bushnell 4200, and the 3200 is right behind it (and cheaper.) We'll see how it works out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Based on advice from other members here I purchased a Barska...can't think of the model off the top of my head. I also was able to purchase a saiga side rail mount for it. I haven't zeroed the scope on the weapon because I haven't found a sucker...I mean helper to work the butts while I shoot. I want to zero the optic at 300 yards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Barska? 3x? 9x? 24x? what size objective 30mm? 50mm? Inquiring minds want to know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Apparently we have NO one on the boards who knows anything about Rifle optics? I guess that's what you get when dealing with the cheapest/dirtiest rifles. No one uses optics they can't buy at Walmart IOR Valdada and eBay. A beautiful combination. I am currently running a M2 on my S-.308 that's fixed 6x, 35 mm tube, and illuminated reticle with .308 drop compensation. Believe I picked it up in the box on eBay for about $300.00. It's amaxingly bright and holds rock-solid zero. It's also Eastern Bloc (Romania) so it's "appropriate". It's on an IOR "Vepr" side-mount that is perfectly centered and as low as a scope can mount on a Saiga and still allow dustcover removal. It's a bulletproof combo. Respectfully posted, guido2 in Houston Edited October 15, 2007 by guido2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Apparently we have NO one on the boards who knows anything about Rifle optics? I guess that's what you get when dealing with the cheapest/dirtiest rifles. No one uses optics they can't buy at Walmart IOR Valdada and eBay. A beautiful combination. I am currently running a M2 on my S-.308 that's fixed 6x, 35 mm tube, and illuminated reticle with .308 drop compensation. Believe I picked it up in the box on eBay for about $300.00. It's amaxingly bright and holds rock-solid zero. It's also Eastern Bloc (Romania) so it's "appropriate". It's on an IOR "Vepr" side-mount that is perfectly centered and as low as a scope can mount on a Saiga and still allow dustcover removal. It's a bulletproof combo. Respectfully posted, guido2 in Houston +1 on that. Spend as much on the glass as you did on the rifle as a rule of thumb. I own a 10x42 mil dot IOR scope and for the money absolutely nothing compares in terms of clarity. The rest of the package is spot on too. If I were looking to scope a saiga in a quality manner, I'd go with the M2. If I were looking to do it on a budget I'd go with a 4x POSP. Save the 8x and higher magnification stuff for bolt guns, and even then it's unnecessary to hit a target reasonably well. I'd stay away from the larger magnification POSP's as the mounting systems are essentially fixed and I've looked through some that are adjusted to darn near the top or bottom of their focal range to be sighted in at 100 yards. If you're lucky it will be toward the top of the scope, but if you're unlucky you own a piece of worthless surplus scopage. The IOR's typically sell for within $100 of what you paid for them used, thinking of a scope as an investment might seem strange, but they can be ebayed and are easy to sell if you need to raise cash. And oh by the way, if you want our opinions on something don't go and call us a bunch of wally world consuming morons. Stay away from the barska. If you want the best value in a scope under $200 get a bushnell 10x tactical 3200 fixed magnification. Best value under $400 is the aforementioned IOR M2. Best value under $800 has a larger field of choices, but for me it's the IOR 10x42. Over $1000, you might as well go overboard and get a smith and bender (more like $2500, but you will never go back). Look around the web and you'll see this opinion for values in price ranges pretty much confirmed. There are other good deals out there, but these are rock solid choices for their price ranges. Edited October 16, 2007 by buckandaquarterquarterstaff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smiley10 0 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 i shoot a posp 8 power on a my rpg clone super clear and bright 2 years ago it was $160.00 and i don,t shop at wally land Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fossten 1 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT852544.html 8.5-25x 44mm !? At 100yrds It'd look like it was 4yrds out.... $180.00 Anyone know anything about Mueller? They look good. http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MT41650IGR.html 4-16x 50mm? I don't think 50mm would fit unless you use the high-rise mount right? what about 44mm? $250 for that 4x16 (illuminated) I have a Mueller scope on my Ruger 10/22. For a bargain price, the best scope you can buy. I would highly recommend it. Just make sure the one you get is rated for high velocity caliber weapons. Some are not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wayne grow 0 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Very happy with my trijicon 1.5-4 accupoint scope, they also make this in 3-9x. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Well, I'm still pissed about my favorite scope (Redfield Widefield) being out of production, so I don't really have anything constructive to add. I have a POSP on my Saiga that seems to work OK, but a lefty might have trouble with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Edited October 16, 2007 by cscharlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keyser223 0 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I have a Mueller 50mm and it is one of the best IR scopes I've used. It is very comparable to my bro's Nikon. The 50mm will not fit without a high rise mount though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
us_dragunov 11 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 +1 for IOR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dakota 0 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 This 3X9 Pentax is a really good deal! http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=359308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atakacorp 147 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...A:IT&ih=010 I just got it from Germany paid 130 it's worth 400+. Looks great on my 308 Saiga. Only one minus .delivery 40 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 0 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I run Barska 3-12x50 Illuminated Scopes on both my AR and Mosin 91/30 with no problems, I have a Bushnell 3-9x40 on my VEPR on a cheap side mount and have had no problems with any of them. I also have a BSA red dot on another AR and WAL-Mart tasco on a 308 lever gun (only bought it because I needed a quick replacement) I haven't had a broblem with either of those either. The only optics I have had problems with so far have been another cheap 22 tasco on my 10/22 and a Barska ACOG looking thing (which from what I have read, so has everyone else (so I won't hold it against them)) Good Luck -E Norseman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I've got a Barska 6-20 x 50 on my .308 Saiga / Vepr clone, that's pretty good for what I payed for it @ $40 used. They have a lifetime warranty that I already took advantage of when the used scope had a problem with using the full range of magnification. It was stopping at 12x and wouldn't adjust up to 20x. I called them and they said no problem, even though I was the second owner they said ship it back to them. They sent me a brand new one. I like it alright, it could be brighter at the upper end of magnification, but hey, I've only got $50 in it total... You do get what you pay for in optics. I just didn't have enough right after converting my rifle to get a really nice scope. One day.... Check out this link to one I read about in SGN. It looks pretty awesome. If it's as good as they claim then I want one. http://outdoorhaven.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BravoSector1 0 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I've got a Barska 6-20 x 50 on my .308 Saiga / Vepr clone, that's pretty good for what I payed for it @ $40 used. They have a lifetime warranty that I already took advantage of when the used scope had a problem with using the full range of magnification. It was stopping at 12x and wouldn't adjust up to 20x. I called them and they said no problem, even though I was the second owner they said ship it back to them. They sent me a brand new one. I like it alright, it could be brighter at the upper end of magnification, but hey, I've only got $50 in it total... You do get what you pay for in optics. I just didn't have enough right after converting my rifle to get a really nice scope. One day.... Check out this link to one I read about in SGN. It looks pretty awesome. If it's as good as they claim then I want one. http://outdoorhaven.com/ I have the following optics, hundreds of rounds through weapons they are mounted on with zero issues. Mueller 6-24x44 w/illuminated target dot (HBAR AR-15 varminter) Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 mildot (Armalite AR-30) I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE 4200 or 3200 SERIES OF THESE SCOPES FOR THE MONEY!!!! Hakko Super Sniper 10x (fixed)x42 (Armalite AR-50) Most impressive scope for $300.00 Leupold VX -I 3-9x40 long range duplex (Saiga .308) www.swfa.com Scope is listed at $239.95 with lifetime warranty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eugene Onegin 6 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The range I go to only goes out to two hundred yards so on my PSL and AKs I use the POSP line of scopes . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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