iteachsurfing 50 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 No Tromix Suppressor in the works for the .410? Market too small? I know I want one! Anyone else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
misfit4645 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 No Tromix Suppressor in the works for the .410? Market too small? I know I want one! Anyone else? ill take 1!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Quick question, would the outcome be hearing safe? I highly doubt it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 You can shoot the 12-gage model without hearing protection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Naw way, I don't believe it. Bob Ash, you dirty lying SOB. Are you serious?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6x6pinz 4 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) You can shoot the 12-gage model without hearing protection. some caprative youtube videos would be nice. Edited February 28, 2008 by 6x6pinz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I shoot my 12 ga without hearing protection... I'd still be very interested in a suppressor for my 410 though....if I had the money and the CLEO approval.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Naw way, I don't believe it. Bob Ash, you dirty lying SOB. Are you serious?! lol Yeah, it's true. Tony's range report and pics are HERE edit: Remember that test was done on an 8" gun, which is really what it was designed for. It's threaded for the Saiga barrel and would fit on a stock-length gun, but it would be pretty long... and a lot quieter, I imagine. Edited February 28, 2008 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
probasco 0 Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Naw way, I don't believe it. Bob Ash, you dirty lying SOB. Are you serious?! lol Yeah, it's true. Tony's range report and pics are HERE edit: Remember that test was done on an 8" gun, which is really what it was designed for. It's threaded for the Saiga barrel and would fit on a stock-length gun, but it would be pretty long... and a lot quieter, I imagine. i want one, used to shoot all the time without hearing protection, whattt was that you said? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I'd take one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 (edited) You can shoot the 12-gage model without hearing protection. You can also stand near a 16" naval artillery piece without using hearing protection while it's being fired -- but I wouldn't recommend it. Opinions, of course, may vary. Question: "Suppressor" to me means "silencer". Is that what we're talking about here? If so, why would we be wanting/needing one? Or are we planning on doing some house clearing? Sorry, guys, not being a S.W.A.T. team member, LEO or of similar interest, no need here. Edited March 1, 2008 by Aethelbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 You can also stand near a 16" naval artillery piece without using hearing protection while it's being fired -- Um, yeah...I guess some folks probably wear earplugs when running the vacuum cleaner, but everybody that was present as the test-firing thought it was quiet enough, and nobody had any residual symptoms. Question: "Suppressor" to me means "silencer". Is that what we're talking about here? If so, why would we be wanting/needing one? No such thing as a "silencer". I guess you've never shot one? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with "need"...100% of the guys I know with suppressors (including the cops) got them as toys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 If I needed an excuse to buy a silencer, I'd use this one. <bullshit excuse> In defense of my house or family from a criminal of any sort that meant me harm, I'm not going to have time to put on ear protection. </bullshit excuse> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 (edited) You can also stand near a 16" naval artillery piece without using hearing protection while it's being fired -- Um, yeah...I guess some folks probably wear earplugs when running the vacuum cleaner, but everybody that was present as the test-firing thought it was quiet enough, and nobody had any residual symptoms. Question: "Suppressor" to me means "silencer". Is that what we're talking about here? If so, why would we be wanting/needing one? No such thing as a "silencer". I guess you've never shot one? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with "need"...100% of the guys I know with suppressors (including the cops) got them as toys. Ar-r-r-gh! Forgive me! I stand both corrected and contrite. Now I remember a similar question being put to me by my first wife (second and present/hopefully last in this life -- she's great) when I wanted to get my first milsurp rifle -- "But why do you need it? Are you planning on joining a militia band?!?" And my response was... because I _want_ one! Logic still stands, doesn't it? Many thanks, Bob (and others), for your patience with me on this. And, no, I've never used one (suppressor/silencer). Edited March 2, 2008 by Aethelbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 No worries bro! Haven't heard from you in a while and I'm glad you're here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VA M11 0 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 There are some that buy suppressors based on "need"....that being that they like to shoot on their own property but have neighbors that are opposed to the noise...or the gun owner doesn't want everyone knowing that they have guns and shoot on the property so they prefer the suppressed guns..... But as Bob put it---they are a lot of fun!!! Nothing like plinking steel plates with a suppressed gun---you hear the action of the gun and the clang of the steel plate---lots of fun (you ever play "HORSE" at the basketball court as a kid??? try it with steel plates/suppressed gun---can make for some fun/creative shooting!!!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 There are some that buy suppressors based on "need"... they like to shoot on their own property but have neighbors that are opposed to the noise... AND ... they are a lot of fun!!! Ehheexaaxcly! That's why I want Tromix to build em for the .410 Tony has stated the design is not all that complicated. I'm willing to bet a lot of other 410 owners would feel the same. But they need to see a working prototype. I say build a few ... Video them in action. Price them fairly. If they don't sell, I'd be very surprised! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 There are some that buy suppressors based on "need"... they like to shoot on their own property but have neighbors that are opposed to the noise... AND ... they are a lot of fun!!! Ehheexaaxcly! That's why I want Tromix to build em for the .410 I'm sorry ... BobAsh has stated the design is not all that complicated. "Not hard to design for the right team. Not hard to produce with a lathe and a mill." I'm willing to bet a lot of other 410 owners would feel the same. But they need to see a working prototype. I say build a few ... Video them in action. Price them fairly. If they don't sell, I'd be very surprised! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwulf 0 Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I have a Saiga 410, as well as a Saiga 12, and I'd definately use a surpressor in my home. (they are still legal to get here in WA - with the appropriate red tape of course) The walls reflect sound quite nicely. Outside is a completely different matter. Sound is transmitted forward mostly and is not too bad. But in a room? The exposive compression wave would be reflected several places. You'd be deaf for hours. A sound surpressor would be the best thing. - Madwulf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'd definately use a surpressor in my home. walls reflect sound in a room? The exposive compression wave would be reflected several places. You'd be deaf for hours. A sound surpressor would be the best thing. - Madwulf I agree, Defending your home & family ... for the most part is going to be indoors. Permanent hearing loss for you & your family would be a sad result from firing a shotgun in your home. Another great reason to have a suppressor for your shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I want one, but unfortunately I live in a state (KS) where they aren't legal for civilians unless you have a SOT, and even that may be changing for the worst. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I want one, but unfortunately I live in a state (KS) where they aren't legal for civilians unless you have a SOT, and even that may be changing for the worst. I can't understand legislation cant be passed for legal (suppression to a degree) on ANY private property where its legal to own & use firearms. I know I can open carry on my property or place of business. Yet open carry is definitely illegal in public where I live. IMO suppression a good thing, at least enough not blow out your ear drums in an emergency situation. not to mention the relief to neighbors and environmental noise pollution. By the way here's some interesting links I ran across; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j5P0LXemAA http://guns.connect.fi/rs/rifles.html http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA17.html Any ways ... I still want one for my .410 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I want one, but unfortunately I live in a state (KS) where they aren't legal for civilians unless you have a SOT, and even that may be changing for the worst. IMO suppression a good thing, at least enough not blow out your ear drums in an emergency situation. not to mention the relief to neighbors and environmental noise pollution. Any ways ... I still want one for my .410 Touche' ! I see your point. Having an already suppressed Saiga .410 beats the heck out of trying to locate and insert a set of top quality sound-suppressing ear plugs. Have at it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hey Tromix I have an Idea. (if legal) If you not going to build A .410 suppressor ... What would you charge for; PDF download of the Proper Schematics & all the nessecary ATF forms ? Hmmm ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hey TromixI have an Idea. (if legal) If you not going to build A .410 suppressor ... What would you charge for; PDF download of the Proper Schematics & all the nessecary ATF forms ? Hmmm ??? The ATF forms are easy. You can go to titleii.com & fill out the Form 1 to make one yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Sell the design? Doubtful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Sell the design? Doubtful. Sorry, I knew it was a stupid question ... but I had to try. What if you guys just built them per order. Its not a tooling issue is it? I thought it could be done with a lathe & a mill. You could just sell them Raw ... with all the complete parts, Leave them un finished & un assembled. That could take away some of the labor time spent. Making it more profitable for you. Leave the Blasting & finishing work up to the individual. Just a thought? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 We have a lathe and a mill, but they are being used by the very lucrative conversion business. Tony doesn't have a huge margin on each gun, so his money is made in the volume of work. Frankly, jobs like this aren't really a priority. We are considering adding a CNC lathe though, just for this type of work...so it could happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 We have a lathe and a mill, but they are being used by the very lucrative conversion business. Tony doesn't have a huge margin on each gun, so his money is made in the volume of work. Frankly, jobs like this aren't really a priority. We are considering adding a CNC lathe though, just for this type of work...so it could happen. So your saying I have a chance! I have my check book ready to pre order ... just give me the word. Who else is ready to Pony up for a .410 suppressor ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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