USP40 1 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Thanks Mike one more step closer. Link to post Share on other sites
dancedirt7 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Great to see the changes. Really appreciate your communication along the way. Looking great. Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I honestly can't believe that you go into such detail. I don't think that a better drum could have been made by ANYONE. I know that the testing and improvements have taken time, but with the great communication and obviously awesome results it's sooo worth it. Can't wait to see the smoke colored covers. Link to post Share on other sites
Bishop81 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) The attention to detail youre putting into this drum is outstanding. As is your commitment to good communication throughout the process even when a select few can be such a PITA. I am sure you know it by now, but everyone here is extremely appreciative of your efforts. As a side note, I am really hoping your most recent shipping ESTIMATE is close as that will put us into the middle of April. Just so you know, my birthday is April 28 ;) and I cant think of a better present than to open up a brown box of beautiful (oh I forgot to mention FUNCTIONAL) MD Arms Drums. Thanks again for the update and all the hard work to date, -Brian Edited March 30, 2008 by Bishop81 Link to post Share on other sites
Rodehard 0 Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Keep doing what you have to do to make them the perfect drum. I can wait... Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted April 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I wanted to go over the drop test results of the original bottom gear and revised bottom gear discussed and shown above. With a drum loaded with Winchester Turkey loads (1 1/2 oz shot, about as heavy as rounds get in 2 3/4), the original bottom gear would crack on the first drop and break on the second drop. This is on flat concrete from about 4 1/2 feet. It was dropped so it would hit on the front edge of the drum where it starts wrapping around to the front. (Note that it was this specific drop that caused the break, other drops on different areas and even deflecting drops on the front edge didn't cause a break from many, many drops). But 1 drop cracking and 2 drops breaking was not acceptable at all for me. It would have to be dropped just right on a hard surface but it happens. Just like Murphy's law, I was shooting, a drum got knock off a table and hit just right on that surface. Got home and took it apart, sure enough the crack was there! Here are the results for the revised gear. I dropped a drum with the same load and after 22 drops on the concrete just the same as the original test... not a crack or anything on the new gear (even under 10 times magnification there wasn't a crack or anything). A usas-12 gear broke after 16 drops. The breaks on the original gear and usas-12 gear was the same size and location. Eventually I am going to continue the test and try to break one of the new gears. It is crazy how much just 3.5 extra grams of material in the right spot made it that much stronger. The break location on my original test gears was measuring .125 inches thick, the usas-12 gear was measuring .140 thick, and my revised gear is now measuring a little over .180 plus it has the bracing ribs. View the pics above of the original and revised gear. Link to post Share on other sites
ClickClickD'oh 1 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Outstanding work. When are you going to do the APC tread test? Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 This drum should be ready for WAR by the time you finish testing and tweaking it! What a pleasant wait it is when I am filled in on the details of what is happening. Thank you Mike! Just be sure to get it to me before any demoncraps get into office. 1911 Link to post Share on other sites
osprey21 5 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Righteous!! Link to post Share on other sites
deerollman 0 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 you know, i was kinda whiney when i read about the delay, but now im happy. i would have been PO'd had i broken my drum from a little dumb range mishap. Link to post Share on other sites
vspdave 0 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Wha happens when you put it in a Microwave? Drop it in liquid nitrogen? and then toss it out of a C130 & 20K Just Yankin you Mike Link to post Share on other sites
VA M11 0 Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Wha happens when you put it in a Microwave? Drop it in liquid nitrogen? and then toss it out of a C130 & 20K Just Yankin you Mike It shoots 10 hot rounds, 10 cold rounds wears a parachut......duhhhh :haha: It's the super secret ninja drum--it has powers that you can't even understand! Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I wanted to go over the drop test results of the original bottom gear and revised bottom gear discussed and shown above. With a drum loaded with Winchester Turkey loads (1 1/2 oz shot, about as heavy as rounds get in 2 3/4), the original bottom gear would crack on the first drop and break on the second drop. This is on flat concrete from about 4 1/2 feet. It was dropped so it would hit on the front edge of the drum where it starts wrapping around to the front. (Note that it was this specific drop that caused the break, other drops on different areas and even deflecting drops on the front edge didn't cause a break from many, many drops). But 1 drop cracking and 2 drops breaking was not acceptable at all for me. It would have to be dropped just right on a hard surface but it happens. Just like Murphy's law, I was shooting, a drum got knock off a table and hit just right on that surface. Got home and took it apart, sure enough the crack was there! Here are the results for the revised gear. I dropped a drum with the same load and after 22 drops on the concrete just the same as the original test... not a crack or anything on the new gear (even under 10 times magnification there wasn't a crack or anything). A usas-12 gear broke after 16 drops. The breaks on the original gear and usas-12 gear was the same size and location. Eventually I am going to continue the test and try to break one of the new gears. It is crazy how much just 3.5 extra grams of material in the right spot made it that much stronger. The break location on my original test gears was measuring .125 inches thick, the usas-12 gear was measuring .140 thick, and my revised gear is now measuring a little over .180 plus it has the bracing ribs. View the pics above of the original and revised gear. Very nice, Mike! Keep up the product improvement as I'd rather it be right than delivered yesterday. Man! You'll be able to use these drums for house clearing in Falluja or level 7 in Doom 3 whichever comes first. Link to post Share on other sites
1Andy2 5 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Very cool, Mike. I'm going to a mg shoot the last weekend in april... any chance the drums will ship by then? Link to post Share on other sites
PogueMahone 0 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 man, sounds like you're going for a "mil-spec" rating!!! maybe you oughta ship one to dodge turbo interceptor for field testing! Link to post Share on other sites
edman99 0 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Thanks for the update and the great work. Link to post Share on other sites
Franky 2 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 You go ,Mike. Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Thanks for the update and the great work. I bet those guys over in Iraq that have the S12's would love to get a couple of these bad boys. Double the firepower!!! Link to post Share on other sites
jnista@wphickman.com 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 When are you shipping? Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 (edited) When are you shipping? This is not the MD website. Please do your homework. THe MD website says, "At this time we aren't offering any quantity or dealer discounts, sorry. We can't be certain yet but we expect to be able to ship around the end of April or early May. We are in the final stages and you can read reviews from independent people that have tested the drum at www.forum.saiga-12.com. Please read the terms page for more detail." That is all the information anyone has. Thank you for your inquiry. 1911 Edited April 21, 2008 by 1911 Link to post Share on other sites
jnista@wphickman.com 0 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 When are you shipping? This is not the MD website. Please do your homework. THe MD website says, "At this time we aren't offering any quantity or dealer discounts, sorry. We can't be certain yet but we expect to be able to ship around the end of April or early May. We are in the final stages and you can read reviews from independent people that have tested the drum at www.forum.saiga-12.com. Please read the terms page for more detail." That is all the information anyone has. Thank you for your inquiry. 1911 Thanks, Not trying to bust balls.........Just wanted to see if there was any new information........ Link to post Share on other sites
eodinert 1 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) I did go to the MD web site, and didn't see that info. I thought to myself, 'self, if I had a product like that that was about to come out, I would put the information where everyone could find it really easy, so they wouldn't call or email me to ask about it'. And, since it's already 'late april or early may', I think it's a pretty good question. Edited May 8, 2008 by eodinert Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 All of the info you seek is right here on these forums. Link to post Share on other sites
gixser 0 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) All of the info you seek is right here on these forums. Yeah, you just have to weed through 100s of useless post to find it. MD ARMS needs an area where only he and his elected spoken person can post updates and important info, Then maybe you wouldn't get the same question every few days Edited May 9, 2008 by Gixser Link to post Share on other sites
sherlauque 2 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Hi Mike, This happens to be my first ever response/reply in any forum. This just happens to be so important that I can not keep myself from writing my question, which is... How do I get one of your drums for my 12 ga. Saiga? Sherlauque Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Hi Mike, This happens to be my first ever response/reply in any forum. This just happens to be so important that I can not keep myself from writing my question, which is... How do I get one of your drums for my 12 ga. Saiga? Sherlauque Believe the initial run is sold out but keep an eye on Mike's website: http://www.mdarms.com/Scripts/default.asp Link to post Share on other sites
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