LESchwartz 9 Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 OK, so I've taken the plunge: I ordered my Saiga .308 "project gun" today. I plan an replacing the required number of parts, moving the trigger, and adding a wooden thumbhole stock something like the Romak3's. Two questions: 1) Where can I buy a stock like I'm looking for? 2) What are the ins and outs of mounting it? (tang and trunion issues, etc.) thanks in advance, Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Not sure of the thunbhole stock.Im waiting on Firefly Arms to finish my 308 conversion.Im going with a ACE Fal grip and the buttstock in the pic.Its the 22" barrel model so im going to add a 5"muzzle break,add a long range scope and it will be a sniper type rifle with the look of a Fal and a dragunov.Pic will come when im done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screaming eagle 0 Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 (edited) The stock pictured is actually a RPK (warsaw pact version of a SAW squad automatic weapon) As for the thumbhole stocks, you MAY be able to locate the blonde wood rommies by calling AAOK @ (435) 864-4402 8 - 4 MST (Orders recorded 24 hrs. per day ) He has a few odds & ends laying around, you could get lucky Check out SARCO or Numrich arms as well. You would probibly do quite well with a Choate stock, very solid very comfortable ATIs is OK as well As for mounting any of the mentioned stocks, slide them on (may require alittle elbow grease) screw in place Blast away! Edited December 10, 2004 by screaming eagle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm told that the "real" Romak stocks are a little short for US shooters. I was sort of hoping that someone out there knew about wood US-made stock in that style. Larry PS: I gues I could always get one and try it . . . but them I would be one compliance part short Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Check out soupbowl enterprises for good looking stocks! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 (edited) This is more or less what I'm looking for . . . of course the photo is from the Ishmansh web site. I wonder if there's any chance of getting one . . . ? Larry Edited December 11, 2004 by LESchwartz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emclean 0 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 not wood, but what do you think of these? i know someone (through anouther forum) that is thinking of having these made, if you want to help push him PM me and i will send them on to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I hate the Saiga.308's trigger, so the motivation is to move the trigger forward. I'm trying to find a stock that doesn't have a PG (to many weird looks at the range . . . sigh) and is made out of wood to match the look of the handguard. Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaShooter 0 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 (edited) Here's a list of Thumbhole stocks to get you started. Most are foreign made so you'd need another US part. some of these look the same but there are subtle differences. http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.a...0&Super=N&MC=YJ http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.a...0&Super=N&MC=YJ http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.a...0&Super=N&MC=YJ http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.a...0&Super=N&MC=YJ May not work, can't tell if it's for stamped or milled reciver. http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.a...0&Super=N&MC=YJ http://www.buymilsurp.com/store/cart.php?cat=AK+Rifle Way at the bottom Edited December 15, 2004 by SaigaShooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevsky 0 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Hello All, I'm new to this site, I can usually be found on Gunboards. That said, I really have liked what i've seen here. J&G Sales has a special running now, AK thumbhole stocks(they say for NHM 90,91), $9.95ea. or 10 at $0.89ea. You'll find this on they're close-outs at WWW.jgsales.com. Length is 10" from receiver to buttplate, which is included. No sling mount, nor has it been cut for one. I bought 10 and used one for a Saiga/POSP project. "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile - hoping that it will eat him last" Winston Churchill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Welcome,tell us about your Saiga.If you only have one now,expect to have another Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunslinger308 0 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 kevsky did you have to do the trigger conversion to change the stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevsky 0 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) Yes, only one Saiga(308) and one SAR1. But a boat load of Russian/Soviet-Bloc/Finnish weapons. When I ordered my Saiga I also ordered a POSP 8X42 scope w/1000m reticle. When I mated the two, I discovered that the stock was almost 3" longer than an AK. I set out to resolve the uncomfortable eye-relief problem, short of doing a full AK style conversion($$$) or selling what I had and going to a Weaver style scope/base. No, I didn't have to move the trigger, but I didn't just bolt on a new stock. I took one of the thumbhole stocks, cut off the complete grip area and fashioned a palm swell/grip area from the additional wood that a straight stock didn't provide. This gave me a stock that was 1 3/4" shorter than the original Saiga, while being a little more "American sized" at 1" longer than my Romanian AK. I'm just finishing it up now with a textured finish for the buttstock and forestock. When I figure out how too, i'll post some photos. Oh yea, almost forgot...LESchwartz mentioned the trigger swinging up and back. I think that was an intentional design attribute. With a standard AK/pistol grip you would want the movement straight back. When firing while gripping the wrist of the stock you would need it to swing upward also for smoother operation. Edited December 16, 2004 by Kevsky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaShooter 0 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hey Kevsky, if you want I can host the pics for you. just email them to me and i'd be happy to do it. redbmwz8 @ hotmail . com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Here's a list of Thumbhole stocks to get you started. Most are foreign made so you'd need another US part. some of these look the same but there are subtle differences. <snip> Thanks! I ordered up one of the ones from e-gunparts. Looks like I'll be ordering up a gas piston . . . Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 J&G Sales has a special running now, AK thumbhole stocks(they say for NHM 90,91), $9.95ea. or 10 at $0.89ea. You'll find this on they're close-outs at WWW.jgsales.com. Length is 10" from receiver to buttplate, which is included. No sling mount, nor has it been cut for one. I ordered up ten of these as well . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 LESchwartz mentioned the trigger swinging up and back. I think that was an intentional design attribute. With a standard AK/pistol grip you would want the movement straight back. When firing while gripping the wrist of the stock you would need it to swing upward also for smoother operation. I'm not so sure . . . My other monte carlo stocked rifles don't pull that way (even the com-bloc ones like the SKS). I don't own one, but I'm told the Saiga .223's and 7.62x39's have some sort of linkage that allows the trigger to pull straight back. It seems kinda odd that the .308 is the only one that has the "weird trigger". Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevsky 0 Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 J&G Sales has a special running now, AK thumbhole stocks(they say for NHM 90,91), $9.95ea. or 10 at $0.89ea. You'll find this on they're close-outs at WWW.jgsales.com. Length is 10" from receiver to buttplate, which is included. No sling mount, nor has it been cut for one. I ordered up ten of these as well . . . Generally speaking, there couldn't be too much demand for thumbhole stocks. In my case it was just what the doctor ordered! For twenty something dollars, for ten, you can't go too far wrong. On another forum we discussed what to use them for. A lamp base was about the best idea. I've thought about maybe thumbhole stocked TV remotes, problem is, I have so many remotes i'd need a short little rifle rack to keep them in Acually I think I just need more Saiga projects! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
violentliver 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 hmm,i want to fit a thumbhole stock to my saiga 308 as well.does anyone know if this thumhole stock here http://www.buymilsurp.com/store/images/FPK...NFINISHED_S.JPG will fit the saiga?if not how would i make it fit. seems cheap enough,i'd rather get it instead of spending 50$ on the fiber force one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racerboy6996 0 Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 hmm,i want to fit a thumbhole stock to my saiga 308 as well.does anyone know if this thumhole stock here http://www.buymilsurp.com/store/images/FPK...NFINISHED_S.JPG will fit the saiga?if not how would i make it fit. seems cheap enough,i'd rather get it instead of spending 50$ on the fiber force one. That actually is the stock I ordered today. As far as I know, no it wil not fit without doing the trigger conversion. I believe that is a Romanian Romak II butt stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 hmm,i want to fit a thumbhole stock to my saiga 308 as well.does anyone know if this thumhole stock here http://www.buymilsurp.com/store/images/FPK...NFINISHED_S.JPG will fit the saiga?if not how would i make it fit. seems cheap enough,i'd rather get it instead of spending 50$ on the fiber force one. That actually is the stock I ordered today. As far as I know, no it wil not fit without doing the trigger conversion. I believe that is a Romanian Romak II butt stock. Let us all know if it mates up to the Saiga reciever and tang . . . Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racerboy6996 0 Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I will definitely let you know. FYI they told me they had a couple of these in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
violentliver 0 Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 how would one do the trigger conversion?like taking out the fcg n stuff?i guess i could modify that thumbhole stock to fit.will any ak trigger fit in?thx for your info guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESchwartz 9 Posted December 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 how would one do the trigger conversion?like taking out the fcg n stuff?i guess i could modify that thumbhole stock to fit.will any ak trigger fit in?thx for your info guys! http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/index.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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