Russia Invades Georgia Over South Ossetia Province

[SaigaNoobie 66]

On the day the Olympic Games begin to promote unity and healthy competition between nations, Russia and the breakaway state of Georgia have made more brutal and disastrous headlines. It appears that Russia has invaded Georgia after a series of violent exchanges. Before Russia invaded Georgia, Georgia sent troops to the region of South Ossetia, a region that has been demanding independence from Georgia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. After Georgia's attack on South Ossetia, Russia sent troops to strike back at Georgia, putting the two on the brink of war.

 

Russia's invasion of Georgia is the latest climax of a conflict going back to the end of the Soviet Union. Georgia won it's independence as a result, but South Ossetia wanted it's independence from Georgia. South Ossetia has officially been labeled as a Georgia province, but they have sought to break away from the state.

 

Russia and Georgia have long conflicted over not only South Ossetia, but over Georgia's desire to be part of NATO. Russia has long opposed these efforts, and has also given support to South Ossetia's separatist forces that are fighting Georgia.

 

Recently, Georgia sent troops into South Ossetia to quell the latest round of rebellion. However, many of the separatist forces attacked have Russian passports or are backed by Moscow. At least 3 Russian peacekeepers and 15 civilians were reported to be killed in this attack.

 

In response, Russia sent 150 tanks into South Ossetia itself and also bombed a military airbase outside the Georgia capital of Tbilisi. No one was reported to have been killed, but two Russian warplanes were shot down during the assault, according to Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili.

 

Since South Ossetia is still labeled as part of Georgia, this is officially labeled as a Russian invasion of Georgia. There is now fear that it may be Russia's intent to retake over Georgia itself, and not just to free South Ossetia. The former Soviet state of Kazakhstan may also eventually support Russia in any future conflicts to come with Georgia.

 

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev now faces his first major test as official head of the Russian government, though many still believe Russian Prime Minister and former President Vladimir Putin still holds all the real power in Russia.

 

Also seen here: http://news.aol.com/?feature=115304

 

Imagine what an importation ban on all Russian goods would do to Saiga prices. :horror:

Edited August 8, 2008 by SaigaNoobie

[Vultite 57]

i was just thinking about that today, of course the smart thing would be to stay out of it....but you know....

[Bean.223 365]

No matter what they give their reason for invading, take my word for it, its been done as a response to the missile shield.

[Berzerker 0]

I don't want to sound anti-American here but ever since the breakup of the USSR this country laid it on pretty thick on "how we won the cold war" and generally humiliating the former Soviet Union by saying we we're the only super power and such.

As a result of the cold war the Soviet Union nearly went bankrupt and the USA spent a ton of cash on the military in "winning the cold war". Hell, the world has become a lot more unstable since the break up and the Russian people, being as proud as we know they are, are ralling behind Putin and many still hold Uncle Joe Stalin in high regard.

Now with the US being perceived as 'policeman of the world" and our military stretched as thin as it is right now in Iraq and Afganistan and probably soon in Iran, the Russians have slowly but surely rebuilt their military, started flying their Tu95's again over our navy and low and behold here we go again...possible regenration of the cold war all over again.

I for one hope it doesn't happen again as I can remember "duck and cover" drills during the Cuban missle crisis and my school friends parents building fallout shelters and so on...scary times to be sure. Besides, what will happen to all the cool weapons that are now available to us Americanskis? What about all the Ak's and Saigas and all the ammo that is available now?

We'd better watch our P's & Q's. I have some Russian friends I've met here and they are great folks...

Edited August 15, 2008 by Berzerker

[Daemon688 0]

No matter what they give their reason for invading, take my word for it, its been done as a response to the missile shield.

 

 

Well it didn't take long.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430/

 

Potential nuclear strike on Poland now? So when are Russian troops going to be marching to the German border?

[BullShark012 1]

I for one hope it doesn't happen again as I can remember "duck and cover" drills during the Cuban missle crisis and my school friends parents building fallout shelters and so on...scary times to be sure. Besides, what will happen to all the cool weapons that are now available to us Americanskis? What about all the Ak's and Saigas and all the ammo that is available now?

We'd better watch our P's & Q's. I have some Russian friends I've met here and they are great folks... Reduced 11% 350 x 450 (17.19K)//

This post has been edited by Berzerker: Today, 02:46 PM

 

Well, I will Just Say...I've been Predicting PUKIN would pull this Stunt for over a Year now.... YOU...need to go back where you came from buddy.

 

The BEAR WILL BE KILLED - By US Forces - Fuck Worring about getting Your Commie Weapons ANYMORE - THAT'S GONNA BE HISTORY SOON- YOU COMMIE. We don't need their F - ING Weapons ANYMORE! IT'S OVER NOW AFTER THIS INVASION. I DON'T WANT, NOR WILL I BUY any more russian guns AFTER THIS !!!!!!!

 

AND I HOPE ALL YOU RED BLOODED AMERICANS HEAR WHAT I"M SAYING......

 

GO F ....Yourself BESERK

[jay21 0]

If you look at the history of any empire you will see that as they grow they reach a point of expansion beyond their control. This happenend to the USSR, they are now taking the next natural step in reclaiming what they can from the collapse. As for "The BEAR WILL BE KILLED - By US Forces" ... that is possible but i suggest you read up on the theory of MAD (mutually assured destruction). See, when the USSR collapsed their weapons, missles, and explosives did NOT collapse. People who are truly "pro-America" have to be by default "pro-liberty." Reaseach about Georgias actions against Ossetia and you may find, it is pretty easy, that the general population of Ossetia wants to be part of Russia NOT Georgia. Georgia is the aggressor and deserves to be crushed. Just because Ms.Rice says Georgia is in the right, doesn't make it so. We (the US) put the "democratically elected" officials in place for a reason. I am red blooded through to the bone and say liberty for any peoples at any cost. Their place in life should be defind by them, not by the "federal government" of the USA. Nation (empire) buliding is not endoresed or approved by the Constitution of the United States of America. It is NOT our duty to settle the score.

[Bayoupiper 738]

Communism does not allow for liberty.

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

I for one hope it doesn't happen again as I can remember "duck and cover" drills during the Cuban missle crisis and my school friends parents building fallout shelters and so on...scary times to be sure. Besides, what will happen to all the cool weapons that are now available to us Americanskis? What about all the Ak's and Saigas and all the ammo that is available now?

We'd better watch our P's & Q's. I have some Russian friends I've met here and they are great folks... Reduced 11% 350 x 450 (17.19K)//

This post has been edited by Berzerker: Today, 02:46 PM

 

Well, I will Just Say...I've been Predicting PUKIN would pull this Stunt for over a Year now.... YOU...need to go back where you came from buddy.

 

The BEAR WILL BE KILLED - By US Forces - Fuck Worring about getting Your Commie Weapons ANYMORE - THAT'S GONNA BE HISTORY SOON- YOU COMMIE. We don't need their F - ING Weapons ANYMORE! IT'S OVER NOW AFTER THIS INVASION. I DON'T WANT, NOR WILL I BUY any more russian guns AFTER THIS !!!!!!!

 

AND I HOPE ALL YOU RED BLOODED AMERICANS HEAR WHAT I"M SAYING......

 

GO F ....Yourself BESERK

Dude...take a chill pill already.

 

What are you getting all worked up about? Something doesn't even look right here with all the cut and paste going on. Who said what here?

 

And give up on the AK because of an invasion?? WTF man?

[Bean.223 365]

I can see part of Russia's side, but ONLY a part. I believe just like conservatives for the most part in the west are denied proper media coverage, I do think that Russia also suffers from a bit of western media blackout. Ethnic Russian is SOuth Osestiawhatever it is...being protected is their story. Maybe sooner than later when southern Texas breaks off to mexico will we help the "Ethnic Texans" in N. Texas? (I know old argument) But that might be how they look at it. The Ruskies also made a similar argument over the Serbs (a old ethnic ally) AND they made that same argument against the Turks a few years back over the plight of the Ethnic Bospharians, even going so far as to threaten to liberate "Constantinople" <---Their actual words. SO there is at least a constant to their argument that Our media doesn't report at all.

 

But an invasion at this point is just asinine and shows a desire for aggression, and actually shows their true desperation.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Bean.223

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

Isn't this conflict supposed to be settled now anyway?

[Koliadko 207]

I wouldn't use the word 'settled'. The hostilities have been called off. But the issues are still out there.

[jay21 0]

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] It is usually considered to be a branch of socialism, a broad group of social and political ideologies, which draws on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution[4], although socialist historians say they are older.[who?][citation needed] Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems believed to be inherent with capitalist economies and the legacy of imperialism and nationalism. Communism states that the only way to solve these problems would be for the working class, or proletariat, to replace the wealthy bourgeoisie, which is currently the ruling class, in order to establish a peaceful, free society, without classes, or government.[2] The dominant forms of communism, such as Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism and Trotskyism are based on Marxism, but non-Marxist versions of communism (such as Christian communism and anarchist communism) also exist and are growing in importance since the fall of the Soviet Union."

 

True communism, read the works of Karl Marx, allows for liberty in the Marxists model. Liberty equals choice, i choose to belivev in a semi-capitalist, free-market society. That is why i choose to live in the US and attempt to advance this. A blanket statement of a political theory or the idea that "communisim bad" is simplistism in thinking, just because it is not for you does not mean it is not right for others. Communism was a choice of the people in the Bolsheviks era.

 

Choose your fate, that is liberty

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

"..."communisim bad" is simplistism in thinking..."

 

True, true. Sometimes simplistic thinking is all that is necessary. To try and bring any flavor of commuism to the USA is bad and strictly against what this nation was founded on. I can accept that capitalism is bad for those who don't choose it as long as they are in another country.

[BullShark012 1]

Dude...take a chill pill already.

 

What are you getting all worked up about? Something doesn't even look right here with all the cut and paste going on. Who said what here?

 

And give up on the AK because of an invasion?? WTF man?

 

Ok, I did, sorry...I just get my guns up when Russian pulls stunts like this. This was a Planned Invasion with Putin flexing his re-found mussle. Too bad we were caught with our pants down - Georgia had been warning us, but we ignored it since Bush has been having BBQ with his buddy Pukin. Let us all realize the KBG (putin) are firmly in power there and they want their empire back.

[Bayoupiper 738]

Uh,

 

Communism is bad....mmk?

[topmaul 42]

Once upon a time there was a man from Austria who underestamited Russia and the Russian people he ended up shooting himself in the head and a dirty damp bunker in Berlin.

 

How long did we expect the Russians to let us rub their noses in it?

 

Dude the game has changed we had better start respecting the Russians and both our politicians and policy makers better learn to play chess.

[hawk78 0]

I'm not sure it's so cut and dry as to be Russian retaliation. South Ossetia, while being technically Georgian in boundary, is vastly pro-Russian. Why would Russia go in and attack it's own people? It doesn't make sense. Watch this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aMgFQpc1c and tell me there isn't more to this story.

[zakmatthews 14]

From a selfish perspective . . . will this effect our prices for Russian ammunition from Wolf, Barnaul, etc?

[Bvamp 604]

From a selfish perspective . . . will this effect our prices for Russian ammunition from Wolf, Barnaul, etc?

 

It does not appear to be affecting prices or projected availability, at least from where I sit.

 

 

and by the way, Hawk up there has a good point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aMgFQpc1c

 

watch the video he posted. they keep cutting eyewitnesses off from telling their story.

 

Ive also been following various new sources about this (If I cant get saigas to sell you guys, this conflict will affect me, in all reality) , and it really is a crock of crap the way its been represented.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7jIQah36Gw <<-- I guess its ok for someone to attack Russia's friends, but its not okay for Russia to retaliate and disarm the attacker. Lets get a liberal president and congress in office, thats right what we need!

 

At any rate - It appears to be over at this point. Maybe people should think twice before they attack a Russian protectorate/ally. We would and HAVE had the same types of responses in the past.

 

 

We should all be responsible Americans, and not take what the media says or portrays domestic and world events as cast in iron. We all know how they treat our 2nd Amendmant right, and the lies and mis-truths they tell. Be careful what you believe.

[waltham_41 52]

I don't think it is over with yet, we still have the situation in Poland with the missile defense situation, and whatever aftermath about the Georgia situation.

 

Sometimes it takes a while to see what the repercussions actually will be.

 

I hope we can remain on at least civil terms with Russia, we don't need them as an enemy and they don't need us as an enemy. The fanatical Muslim terrorists are a threat to both of us and should be a common interest for both of our countries to work together on.

[Berzerker 0]

A little slack BullShark

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Edited August 19, 2008 by Berzerker

[Berzerker 0]

Dude...take a chill pill already.

 

What are you getting all worked up about? Something doesn't even look right here with all the cut and paste going on. Who said what here?

 

And give up on the AK because of an invasion?? WTF man?

 

Ok, I did, sorry...I just get my guns up when Russian pulls stunts like this. This was a Planned Invasion with Putin flexing his re-found mussle. Too bad we were caught with our pants down - Georgia had been warning us, but we ignored it since Bush has been having BBQ with his buddy Pukin. Let us all realize the KBG (putin) are firmly in power there and they want their empire back.

 

Whoa BullShark, I wasn't defending them. I just said they have always been leery of the West since we intervened in 1919 in the little known attempt to overthrow the Bolsheviks and by them having to eat crow all these years you would have to expect for them to try and regain a little of their pride. Putin is dyed in the wool KGB, no doubt about that and I think his motives are more nationalistic than communistic. It was just a matter of time before they tried to regain their prestige that they lost after the Soviet Union broke up. I am actually on Georgias side and bravo to the Poles for offering up that former Soviet sattelite tracking station for use with the missle defense system. I don't like the idea of war with them over all this.

By the way I am an American born in the PRK which almost makes me a socialist by birth. Cut me some slack BullShark.[

Edited August 19, 2008 by Berzerker

[Berzerker 0]

Uh,

 

Communism is bad....mmk?

 

[Bean.223 365]

I actually believe the Russians want to revert back to the Chinese model of modern communism. In other words, Capatalism YAH!!! Personal freedoms and rights, NO!!!!

[Berzerker 0]

Thank God they didn't make it to Atlanta yet! I don't have Jane around anymore!

 

[Berzerker 0]

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] It is usually considered to be a branch of socialism, a broad group of social and political ideologies, which draws on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution[4], although socialist historians say they are older.[who?][citation needed] Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems believed to be inherent with capitalist economies and the legacy of imperialism and nationalism. Communism states that the only way to solve these problems would be for the working class, or proletariat, to replace the wealthy bourgeoisie, which is currently the ruling class, in order to establish a peaceful, free society, without classes, or government.[2] The dominant forms of communism, such as Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism and Trotskyism are based on Marxism, but non-Marxist versions of communism (such as Christian communism and anarchist communism) also exist and are growing in importance since the fall of the Soviet Union."

 

True communism, read the works of Karl Marx, allows for liberty in the Marxists model. Liberty equals choice, i choose to belivev in a semi-capitalist, free-market society. That is why i choose to live in the US and attempt to advance this. A blanket statement of a political theory or the idea that "communisim bad" is simplistism in thinking, just because it is not for you does not mean it is not right for others. Communism was a choice of the people in the Bolsheviks era.

 

Choose your fate, that is liberty

 

I think it's more about nationalism than communism to them.

[Berzerker 0]

All joking aside, this is getting damn scary right now

Edited August 20, 2008 by Berzerker

[d0lphin2 0]

I am willing to bet that Russian will station bombers on a rotating basis in cuba. God help us if the put in missles because us here in Florida probably will have anti missle batteries in all the city parks!

[Berzerker 0]

I am willing to bet that Russian will station bombers on a rotating basis in cuba. God help us if the put in missles because us here in Florida probably will have anti missle batteries in all the city parks!

 

 

You're probably right. I'm sure Chavez will welcome them with open arms in Venezuela. As for Cuba, there probably are nukes there already. I will bet they also put some troops in the Middle East, specifically Iran just to make it harder to attack Iran. Yep I'm afraid the Cold War is on it's way back to say hello.