wintermute76 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Well after spending some quality time with the mill at work on Saturday, here's what I have so far. It's 7075 T? aluminum from a scrap Trek mold plate we had laying around. Hopefully tomorrow night I can rig up a floorplate for it and finish up the milling at the top to I can test fit it. I also need to sharpen a few corners (mag catch, feed lips, and front lug) Other than that, for the first prototype it came out pretty good I think, the follower fits and shells go in So far so good. Only took I think 2 hours of machine time to cut the main detail, then I spanked it off the plate in the Wire EDM. On the next run I can optimize my toolpaths and operations a bit more and hopefully cut the time down more yet. If everything goes good, I"m going to order more material and try an 8 or 10 rounder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wintermute76 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 more pics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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wintermute76 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 last one for now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krom32117 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 that's some nice work wintermute76, when you have a finished fine tuned mag we'll be standing in line wanting one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jtf979 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I like the shape. Looks eeeeeeviiiil. I'm sure many of us would be interested in two or three when you get them done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Lookin' good! (And a better shot of your screensaver, please!...) Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red_cedar 28 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Those look realy good!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 That looks sweet, will they be available for purchase or are you just teasing us? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Awesome work man! Improvise ,Adapt , and Overcome!!! I love this forum! So wintermute76 if it works out would you be interested in producing some for other guages or calibers? There's a lot of people who wish they had a bigger mag for the .410. OK Chris410 since you are the only one I've seen who actually has the 10 rd 410 mag you know what you need to do for us. PLEASE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steven 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 man if id had put that much time into it id have made it 8rds. nice work though, real nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKATTACK 5 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Awesome work!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 OK Chris410 since you are the only one I've seen who actually has the 10 rd 410 mag you know what you need to do for us. PLEASE! Tell you what, if someone steps up to manufacture I will donate one to the cause. I wouldnt trust my measuring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 You would be heros to us all! I guess you could probly modify a cheap AK mag spring to work but still would have to make a follower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swiftvision 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 A 10 rounder would be a great idea. I'd be fine with atleast 8 but 10 is really the magic number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I gotta say, that is impressive................ Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swiftvision 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Get these out fast and you will have alot of sales. Very nice work BTW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wintermute76 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I hope I don't let anyone down by saying this, but at least for the forseeable future it's just a tease. I don't have the capital to produce them. And if you figure say 2 hours even after getting it tweaked, it'd still be about $80 just for the machine time (going by our shop's rate) Really the magazine is pretty simple compared to some I've seen. Basically I do it just so I don't have to pay 70-90 for a plastic 8 round. Anyone use MasterCAM? I could post the geometry once I find out it works. If all goes well and the 8/10 works, I've been knocking around the idea of a double stack, but I don't know how practical that is needing a new follower and all that. Thanks for all the kind words Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swiftvision 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 When you get the 8-10 round done can you send me a CAD file with the demensions? I might be able to get some made cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 If you are giving it away, yes I will take a copy of the MasterCam file. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jesusplayedwithwood 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Nice...kinda wondering about those external ribs you put on it though, do they serve a structural or ergonomic purpose? Personally I could see them getting in the way/snagging when putting them into or taking them out of a mag puch. Too bad you aren't out to make them and sell them, if you could simplify the time on the machine/cuts and still retain reliability/durability I would highly recommend marketing them. Hope your prototype works out well and that you change your mind on mass producing them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McUZI 1 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 If you are giving it away, yes I will take a copy of the MasterCam file. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Yeah, +1 - Me too.. I'll even pay ya a little for yer time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wintermute76 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 The bumps on the outer perimeter are for the 2-56 cap screws that hold it together. I suppose they could be omitted and the whole thing be welded. I needed it disassembleable in case I have to tweak anything Wish I had a CNC in my garage so I could go into production Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart2 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 (edited) Hi 1 Stamping them out maybe the answer? but making up the tools involved may be 15,000 American dollars. Each tool costs 2800 American. Alteast 4 tools would be involved. Plus the spring would have to be made. 2 Cheaper way Making them from Alloy maybe another answer? I would not know if alloy would be strong enough? If they think it would work $500 for messuring it up. Then $$$ per thousand units. Machining the prototype is great. But can not machine every magazine. Example making 1000 magazines would make you crazy. I wish I was good with my hands, to be able to machine one for my self. Amazing what people can do. The reasons that American manufactures have not made any magazines for the saiga, would always be about money. They do not believe that there is any money involved. Stu Edited January 18, 2005 by Stuart2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jesusplayedwithwood 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Wouldn't it probably be cheaper to do an injection molded magazine? Isn't that what the S12 magazine is in the first place? I have no particular background in the field of molding, but it seems to me like it would be the fastest and cheapest way to produce mags....or I could be on crack or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart2 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi jesusplayedwithwood The alloy magazines would have been molded. Using a mold. About the injected mold, well you still have metal parts ( flower ) Stu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wintermute76 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Actually I thought about having a mold possibly made. I work for a mold shop up here in Minnesota, and our sister company does rapids prototype tools and short run molding and tools. been waiting for our Lead Salesman to be around and bounce it off him as to how complex and what kind of cost would be involved. Almost have the machined prototype finished up I forgot about the narrow part towards the front of the magwell. Should be able to try it out this weekend I hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggiefun45 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 go gun ho on the double stack!!! that is the best idea i've heard yet... I had pondered that one time and sat down with a handful of buck shot. Seems possible, just need to put in the time to make it work. If you decide to go for it, please keep us posted!! you da' man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart2 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 (edited) Hi guys About the double stack magazine. Lets all get magazines that are 8 - 10 rounds first, before thinking of other things. Double stacking 12ga rounds would be a first & very complex. I would like to go a little further, lets be able to buy 5 round mags for a start, then go to 8-10 rounds. We can not even get 5 rds mags!!! man this is a crazy situation we are in Stu Edited January 19, 2005 by Stuart2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Too bad folks couldn't throw down money, and somehow make a bulk order of these. sacrifice a 2round for donor parts in proper dimensions. $20.00 right there. And then pay for machine time. It is fucking sweet. After having held it, and inserting into S-12. Seems the best I've come across. And most importantly it was finished, and real. Hats off to you D. You still have the baddest ass custom S-12 mag known to man. I'd pay big for one..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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