Jpanzer 1,265 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Ran across this in my latest Sportsmans Guide catalog. Sportsmans Guide Anyone ever use this ammo and if so what did you think of it? Having studied the Civil War a bit I know buck and ball was used at short ranges with devastating effect. Just wondering how it performs in a modern day smoothbore like the Saiga. Couldn't be much worse recoil wise than slugs could it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emt1581 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Ran across this in my latest Sportsmans Guide catalog. Sportsmans Guide Anyone ever use this ammo and if so what did you think of it? Having studied the Civil War a bit I know buck and ball was used at short ranges with devastating effect. Just wondering how it performs in a modern day smoothbore like the Saiga. Couldn't be much worse recoil wise than slugs could it? I've seen those before as well. I would think it'd be a decent round. However, it doesn't say the size of the smaller pellets. It saws "# " then "Pellets". However, they left out what number pellets they are. The big one is over a half-inch wide so that should pack a decent wallop. The company, Centurion, I think is new. At least a few weeks ago AIM or Centerfire (pretty sure it was AIM) introduced them as a new company with a special priced case of ammo (.223 I think). Anyways, I'm curious to see if anyone's tried them? -Emt1581 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Somebody on this forum uses those,. maybe GOB?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksoncustomshop 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Cheaper Than Dirt sells them. I thought about getting some, as well as 00 buck. I cannot find 00 around here anymore! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I would like to point out, that buck and ball was the most effective loading during the Revolutionary War, outside of American long range snipers (the birth of the kentucky rifle) . Make sure you know its legal to possess personal rounds like these first in your state and area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=centurion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 This is an old idea and was also implemented by the British Militray during the "Malayan Emergency." These "Malaysian Load" 12 gauge zinc cased rounds were loaded by Fabrique Nationale of Belgium. One of the three different loadings by FN was four lead buckshot over 28 smaller lead shot, exact sizes of shot unknown. A second FN loading was a 59mm round with a zinc clad blue cardboard case containing nine 00 buckshot. This 49mm round has the zinc rolled crimped over the cardboard case with a big yellow wad and also contained #4 shot. The shotguns usually employed to deliver these loads were the Remington 870 (not a damn Mossberg ) and the Browning A5 Auto. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=centurion Very ineresting! Thanks, I think I'll give these a try... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Not me, I want either slugs or buck, with a time and place for either but I see no reason to mix the 2 in a shell when I can just mix shells in a magazine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bugeye 2 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 I have shot the Centrion rounds out of my Saiga. They cycle reliably although the patterns were all a little different at 25 yards. They should make a good self defense round up close, probably not really better than any buckshot though. I sure would hate to take a round myself, ouch! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 As long as the length is fine for the MD20 drum, which the probably are, I would like to have one loaded up with these in a SHTF scenario for sure! Best of both worlds! Awaiting the MD20 with child like Christmas glee! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRAIG-B 0 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 I picked up some 2 3/4 sellier bellot 00 buckshot at a gun show, 100rnds for 60 bucks and in a ammo box.. Anyone shot that before? Heard its a good shot. Nice clear casing put one in everywindow of the house with note of free sample with broken entry ha.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Although it may deter some casual criminal types (kids) the problem with that craig, is that anyone looking in your windows now knows you have guns in the house, and will just wait till you arent home or are asleep. You guys with these 2 3/4" buckshot loads..... Try some 3" 15 pellet loadings out of your stick mags. They will wake ya right up, thats for sure! If you want to try buck and ball, you can take down a 3" shell and stick a 7/8oz slug on top of 3 or 6 pellets with a shot card between em. It was a feared round for a reason, in the old days. Keep in mind that I do not recommend 6 pellets, as this gives you a payload of 1 3/8oz, which isnt recommended in saiga shotguns. If you see the deadly "frosty" type of snowman creeping out of the woods or fields at you this winter, I suggest this round to deal with them. Another neat little round that Ive toyed with was taking a remington domed slugger out of its shell, filling the hollow of the slug with steel BBs, and reinserting it into the shell. Again, this borders on an "overload" for a saiga shotgun, and i do NOT reccommend using lead pellets in place of the steel. Anyhow, just some thoughts, and I wouldnt suggest ever trying something that I suggest here, or any place else for that matter! If you are unsure at ALL about anything firearm related, DONT TRY IT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 ... However, it doesn't say the size of the smaller pellets. It saws "# " then "Pellets". However, they left out what number pellets they are... One .65" ball + six #1 buck shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRAIG-B 0 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 ""Although it may deter some casual criminal types (kids) the problem with that craig, is that anyone looking in your windows now knows you have guns in the house, and will just wait till you arent home or are asleep. "" I was kiddin,,, joke haha ya know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRAIG-B 0 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Oh and that 2 3/4 sellier bellot 00 buckshot shoots real good, no jam real nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 the S&B is under powered and smokey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Ripped the heck out of a coyote few days ago with this round. 15yrds/Mossberg 590. Barn gun, used while checking sheep, lambing now. Coyotes get very brave. Hit it at front shoulder, no fallow up needed. Shoulder/rib cage/lungs -internals massive mush. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trzeci98 0 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I got a box of that, haven't shot any, I need to find another box before I try it out. It sure looks cool though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRAIG-B 0 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I dont beileve its under powered, i can see maby a little smokey but is a good round and good price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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