HillBilly2 9 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Check it out! It's the SGL 41-61. https://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17027 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donkismash 81 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 for 889$ not a bad deal... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I got 350 in mine after a conversion and i thought that was a little much for a 410. you can get a complete safir t14 cheaper than this. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donkismash 81 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 for 889$ not a bad deal... well I should have said not a bad deal but not a great deal either... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) for 889$ not a bad deal... well I should have said not a bad deal but not a great deal either... Yeah, Arsenal is still price gouging with this .410, just not as bad as they price gouge with their rifles. A person could buy a .410 Saiga, get a U.S. made trigger group, pistol grip, and buttstock for 922R compliance, and move the trigger group forward themselves for no more than about $470 to $500 total (for a bare bones conversion at least). Though in fairness I must admit if a person wanted to take a .410 Saiga and both move the trigger group forward and also give it an AK-74 front end like this SGL .410 has, then they would probably end up spending around $850 to $900 total. So in that specific scenario the pricing on this SGL .410 is actually within reason. Still, because of Arsenal's quality control reputation (which is hit or miss to say the least), even if I ever did want a converted .410 Saiga with an AK-74 front end, I would still buy a regular .410 Saiga and all the parts and do the work myself, because then at least I would know for sure what the build quality would be (but that's just my opinion of course). One other thing about this SGL .410 that might be an issue for some people, is that it uses what appears to be an AK-74 type gas block rather than a .410 Saiga gas block, which means its gas system is not adjustable. So it would seem this SGL .410 is intended exclusively for use with higher powered (i.e 3 inch high base) .410 ammo, since there is no way to dial its gas system to a number 2 setting (like can be done with a regular .410 Saiga) for lower powered ammo. Edited August 16, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Why are we advertising for these purveyors of snake oil? One other thing about this SGL .410 that might be an issue for some people, is that it uses what appears to be an AK-74 type gas block rather than a .410 Saiga gas block, which means its gas system is not adjustable. So it would seem this SGL .410 is intended exclusively for use with higher powered (i.e 3 inch high base) .410 ammo, since there is no way to dial its gas system to a number 2 setting (like can be done with a regular .410 Saiga) for lower powered ammo. The pictured magazines are marked 76mm ( 3" ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) The pictured magazines are marked 76mm ( 3" ) Okay I see, so Arsenal is selling it as being for use with 3" shells only. Still, I am sure there are some who do like to shoot 2.5" shells from time to time, and since the SGL 41 doesn't have an adjustable gas system, for those who do at least want the option of being able to shoot 2.5" shells, it is just another reason why a regular .410 Saiga would be a better choice. Edited August 16, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 for 889$ not a bad deal... well I should have said not a bad deal but not a great deal either... Now for sale for $699 somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) I like how they broke down the cost to show people. http://www.arsenalinc.com/news.htm#081420091 They added $200 to the cost of the shotgun for no reason Edit: the reason is the receiver you cannot get elsewhere. And $300 labor you could do yourself. So $809.30 if you wanted to make it yourself and you magically didn't have to pay shipping on any of those parts. Looks like a spanking good deal. If I didn't already have a .410, I'd buy one of these at the lowest price I could find. Edited August 29, 2009 by Twinsen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillBilly2 9 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 for 889$ not a bad deal... well I should have said not a bad deal but not a great deal either... Now for sale for $699 somewhere. Sale goes thru Sept 1..... http://www.k-var.com/shop/special_sales/sale20090827.html Got the email on it this am. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 for 889$ not a bad deal... well I should have said not a bad deal but not a great deal either... Now for sale for $699 somewhere. Sale goes thru Sept 1..... http://www.k-var.com/shop/special_sales/sale20090827.html Got the email on it this am. There's a reason I didn't link to the deal. If I'm not mistaken it's against the rules. I would get one myself, but I have no use for a .410. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 That is not a good, or even a half decent price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardShell 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I ordered one while they were on sale, then went on vacation... just picked it up last week. Fit/feel/finish are great, but I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet (I was tied up at a gun show all weekend). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardShell 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 ... you can get a complete safir t14 cheaper than this. I already had one of those... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 hows the safir work on different type of loads is it reliable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardShell 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 hows the safir work on different type of loads is it reliable. Very finicky -- prefers smooth hulls, hangs up easily on the ribbed ones. Also, it isn't designed to shoot the 3" shells at all. I did a pretty detailed review of it, way back when I first got it, over on Arfcom: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=434766 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 cool thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 dont know if anybody is interested but the price is now 489.00. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) dont know if anybody is interested but the price is now 489.00. Wow, that's $400 cheaper than you could build one for. That's just silly. I'd buy one right now if I could have that configuration in my state. Thanks commies. Edit: Oh wtf there's no adjustable gas system?! Edited October 25, 2009 by Twinsen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewH 1 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Wow, I thought it was an error when I seen that price. I would trade my convert in for this gun any day. They will shoot shorter shells with the proper magazine,correct? The non adjustable gas block is one item what brings up this concern. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 with out the adjustable gas block it will have problems cycling light loads. unless they drilled the gas port bigger and it would be over gassed on heavier loads which i dont think would be an issue with the light recoil of even the heaviest 410 loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Demon5Romeo 0 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 dont know if anybody is interested but the price is now 489.00. $489.00 is a great deal for this. Ordered one today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 WOW!!!! $489.00 is not a bad price at all considering they were $899.00. I was never really intersted in a .410 but for that price I think I will tell Santa to bring me one this year. I wish they would have a sale on converted S-12 for that much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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