smloob 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 i just ordered one of the new saigas in 5.45x39. i should be able to pick it up tomorrow. i dont know if anyone has converted one of these yet, but i assume the parts are the same? this is my 1st conversion. before i get started i just wanted to make sure i have the right parts i need a trigger, for 3 parts. which is the best trigger to throw into this thing? i came across this one: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=156 then the pistol grip http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=302 the nut for it http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=220 the buttstock http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=392 i believe that covers the 4 american parts to be compliant for bigger clips. i also plan on buying 30 round clips so will i need a bullet guide to use foreign clips? where can i find a bullet guide for 5.45x39 am i missing anything here? thank you guys for the help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 That looks about right but thats 5 parts trigger couts as 3 pg 1 buttstock 1 you might want to check out dinzags site usualy has bullet guides im not shure if any one is making them right now but you can contact him and see or check out some of the outher vendors here on the forum http://www.dinzagarms.com/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dinzag is developing a feed ramp for 5.45 saigas as we speak. It may simply work with a prexisting feed ramp, or he may have to come up with new geometry. For now, you can do the rest of the conversion and stick with the 10 rounder till the new ramps are revealed, or one of the old ramps gets the thumbs up for use with 5.45. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 That looks about right but thats 5 parts trigger couts as 3 pg 1 buttstock 1 you might want to check out dinzags site usualy has bullet guides im not shure if any one is making them right now but you can contact him and see or check out some of the outher vendors here on the forum http://www.dinzagarms.com/index.html isnt it only 4 parts? the pistol grip doesnt count as 1 because its not replacing a foreign part i only need 4 parts to be 922r compliant, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) isnt it only 4 parts? the pistol grip doesnt count as 1 because its not replacing a foreign part i only need 4 parts to be 922r compliant, correct? I believe so. 3 in the FCG and the buttstock. That's how my X39 is setup. http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaVerifyCompliance Edited August 21, 2009 by thehopping1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 That looks about right but thats 5 parts trigger couts as 3 pg 1 buttstock 1 you might want to check out dinzags site usualy has bullet guides im not shure if any one is making them right now but you can contact him and see or check out some of the outher vendors here on the forum http://www.dinzagarms.com/index.html isnt it only 4 parts? the pistol grip doesnt count as 1 because its not replacing a foreign part i only need 4 parts to be 922r compliant, correct? Au contraire, mon ami. The pistol grip DOES count. It brings the total countable parts to 15. It just doesn't count against you as a foreign part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quinci956 1 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 That looks about right but thats 5 parts trigger couts as 3 pg 1 buttstock 1 you might want to check out dinzags site usualy has bullet guides im not shure if any one is making them right now but you can contact him and see or check out some of the outher vendors here on the forum http://www.dinzagarms.com/index.html isnt it only 4 parts? the pistol grip doesnt count as 1 because its not replacing a foreign part i only need 4 parts to be 922r compliant, correct? Au contraire, mon ami. The pistol grip DOES count. It brings the total countable parts to 15. It just doesn't count against you as a foreign part. Damn I have been away a while. When they start importing the 5.45's. Everytime I come back to this forum it cost me money. I don't have an AK 74 so now I have to get a new Saiga. When will it stop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 what trigger should i get? i wasnt sure of the difference between a 'single hook' and 'double hook' and which one i will need. also, the website says "The hump on the lower side of the hammer must be ground down to clear the ejector block on the Saiga. The hammer is also too wide, so the R/H boss must be cut down as well. The 410 takes an additional cut on the L/H side of the hammer to clear the ejector. If you are using the Tapco Single Hook Trigger, we reccomend purchasing the Tromix Shepherds Crook. " is it true you have to do all that work for the tapco? if it is, there is certainly a better trigger option available? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oxyehho 8 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 (edited) what trigger should i get? i wasnt sure of the difference between a 'single hook' and 'double hook' and which one i will need. also, the website says "The hump on the lower side of the hammer must be ground down to clear the ejector block on the Saiga. The hammer is also too wide, so the R/H boss must be cut down as well. The 410 takes an additional cut on the L/H side of the hammer to clear the ejector. If you are using the Tapco Single Hook Trigger, we reccomend purchasing the Tromix Shepherds Crook. " is it true you have to do all that work for the tapco? if it is, there is certainly a better trigger option available? Single is the best choice - o/w you have to cut yet another notch in the receiver. No extensive mods to the FCG needed - you are reading a shotgun conversion tutorial, except clearance for BHO. Just find a rifle tutorial - one of the stickies will do. If you want a true drop-in buy from Dinzag or a Tromix modified G2 off of one of the sponsors of this site - almost all of them sell it. Edited August 22, 2009 by oxyehho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 My standard G2 single dropped in (literally), make sure you get the FCG retainer plate for $8-12 it will save you mucho headache and is easy to play with you group without the original spring hassles. I don't/didn't mess with my FCG (as of yet). I may opt to put the BHO back in (but many million AK's don't have it so...) which will require a small bit on the hammer to be removed. But I am good for now without the BHO and I don't feel the necessity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 My standard G2 single dropped in (literally), make sure you get the FCG retainer plate for $8-12 it will save you mucho headache and is easy to play with you group without the original spring hassles. I don't/didn't mess with my FCG (as of yet). I may opt to put the BHO back in (but many million AK's don't have it so...) which will require a small bit on the hammer to be removed. But I am good for now without the BHO and I don't feel the necessity. what does a retainer plate do? can you link me to one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 The retainer plate secures your axis pins for the trigger and hammer. When you do the conversion you remove the spring that is originally securing them. This is the new style tapco one http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=606 And the old style http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...IGA-AXIS/Detail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) The retainer plate secures your axis pins for the trigger and hammer. When you do the conversion you remove the spring that is originally securing them. This is the new style tapco one http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=606 And the old style http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...IGA-AXIS/Detail is the new style better? why is it cheaper than the old style also, where are these sticky threads you mentioned? in all the other forums i go to they are on the top but i dont see any Edited August 23, 2009 by smloob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 The retainer plate secures your axis pins for the trigger and hammer. When you do the conversion you remove the spring that is originally securing them. This is the new style tapco one http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=606 And the old style http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...IGA-AXIS/Detail I've never seen the "new style" one before. When did these start showing up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Wow and its $5-7 less??? Looks very rugged... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 how many plastic caps will i need to fill in the holes drilled? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CnRnut 3 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 how many plastic caps will i need to fill in the holes drilled? I used 6 on mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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