dlcjr1973 24 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. While there may be some validity to the studies that show capital punishment is not an effective deterrent in the US, I'm currently in an "extremist Muslim" country where I can safely walk the streets at midnight with hundred dollar bills hanging out of my pockets. Violent crimes, street crimes and property crimes are almost unheard of in places where criminals regularly lose body parts. I've witnessed public executions here on two separate occasions, and I definitely feel safer here as a kafir (infidel) than I do as a citizen in most American cities. Do I think we should adopt their criminal justice system? No, but I've seen more "barbaric activities" at home than abroad. Regards, Sapper Edited December 1, 2009 by Sapper 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Man killing man isn't barbaric, that would depict it as primitive, and that would be a foolishly narrow mindset. Its as natural as any other social interaction though admitedly extreem, and our methods for doing so have come quite a long way with the rest of society. Capital punishment is a ultimate punishment as it ensures without a shadow of a doubt that the person in question will NEVER have a chance to conduct themselves in the maner they did. If you think a life sentance ensures this please see the thread about the pardon that allowed some police to be killed. Edited December 1, 2009 by Nailbomb 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Violent crimes, street crimes and property crimes are almost unheard of in places where criminals regularly lose body parts. So what are these 'regular amputations' being done for if there are no crimes being committed? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dlcjr1973 24 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Violent crimes, street crimes and property crimes are almost unheard of in places where criminals regularly lose body parts. So what are these 'regular amputations' being done for if there are no crimes being committed? I wrote "almost unheard of." And there are no repeat offenders. Regards, Sapper Edited December 1, 2009 by Sapper 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I wrote "almost unheard of." I guess in my book "regular" and "almost unheard of" are contradictory terms. Well if you like it so much there maybe you should look into immigrating. Good luck with that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dlcjr1973 24 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I wrote "almost unheard of." I guess in my book "regular" and "almost unheard of" are contradictory terms. Well if you like it so much there maybe you should look into immigrating. Good luck with that. Really, Flash? That's a bit trollish don't you think? And while I'm not going to feed the troll, a closer reading of my post will show that I DON'T think we should adopt their criminal justice system. Theirs is a flawed philosophy (as is ours - ask the families of Mike Huckabee's mistake). I was expressing an opinion that obviously differs from your own. But a childish remark like "maybe you should look into immigrating" seems to indicate more emotion than logic, and I guess our constructive discourse is at an end. I apologize if I touched a sore spot with you, but relax dude - it's only the Internet. Regards (still), Sapper 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I wrote "almost unheard of." I guess in my book "regular" and "almost unheard of" are contradictory terms. Well if you like it so much there maybe you should look into immigrating. Good luck with that. Really, Flash? That's a bit trollish don't you think? And while I'm not going to feed the troll, a closer reading of my post will show that I DON'T think we should adopt their criminal justice system. Theirs is a flawed philosophy (as is ours - ask the families of Mike Huckabee's mistake). I was expressing an opinion that obviously differs from your own. But a childish remark like "maybe you should look into immigrating" seems to indicate more emotion than logic, and I guess our constructive discourse is at an end. I apologize if I touched a sore spot with you, but relax dude - it's only the Internet. Regards (still), Sapper "Trollish"? Not at all. It looks like you have become defensive and employed the common technique of Projection to protect your ego. You said that you liked the fact that you could 'walk down the street with hundred dollar bills hanging out of your pockets' where you are. I just want you to be happy buddy. If that floats your boat then you should have it. You are the one doing the name-calling and you are right about one thing - our constructive discourse is at an end. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Excuse me? But we have the death penalty and we do use it. Problem is, we don't use it as a punishment for more crimes, we don't utilize it nearly as often as we should, prisoners are held for decades before being executed, and they aren't really a public spectacle. We need to use it, use it often, hold truly speedy trials & appeals and then execute immediately and make those executions very public. The criminals will pay heed when they know that the executioner awaits them for a particular crime. Barbarism? Definitely! Take off the liberal bleeding heart kids gloves and start serving up some real Old Testament style Justice. Once again, lets let the cops shout, "STOP! Or I'll shoot!" and mean it. Make prisoners work, they must pay/contribute to their room & board, not the us, the taxpayers. .............................................................. Same for our servicemen/women, let soldiers be soldiers, I want rough & ready, death dealing, ass kicking, fierce warriors, not the fucking half assed police the liberals want them to be. If our soldiers are the ones that have to catch your terrorist ass, expect it to get handed to you, on your way to the stockade. Let the generals fight the wars, keep the politicians out of it, wind'em up and let'em go. They need to do whatever it takes, screw collateral damage/casualties, they need to wage all out war, our enemies should beg for us to call off the dogs of war. Again, we need more barbarism. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Actually, it's a great deterrent to crime. Because once the son of a bitch is hung, he ain't gonna commit any more crimes. And who knows, maybe his kin and friends will get the message and stop their crimes before they get the same. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerdavid 6 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I voted yes. Actually, I like the idea of the public executions in the town square like they do in the middle east. Now that's some crime deterrent shit. Steal, cut off your hand. Kill, cut off you head. Rape, ........................ Hahahahahhaa!!!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Actually, it's a great deterrent to crime. Because once the son of a bitch is hung, he ain't gonna commit any more crimes. And who knows, maybe his kin and friends will get the message and stop their crimes before they get the same. Incorrect. As the cold, hard facts here show, the murder rate is higher (often significantly so) in states having the death penalty every year since 1990. Other studies show the same. It may seem like a good idea but it doesn't work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Excuse me? But we have the death penalty and we do use it. Problem is, we don't use it as a punishment for more crimes, we don't utilize it nearly as often as we should, prisoners are held for decades before being executed, and they aren't really a public spectacle. We need to use it, use it often, hold truly speedy trials & appeals and then execute immediately and make those executions very public. The criminals will pay heed when they know that the executioner awaits them for a particular crime. Barbarism? Definitely! Take off the liberal bleeding heart kids gloves and start serving up some real Old Testament style Justice. Once again, lets let the cops shout, "STOP! Or I'll shoot!" and mean it. Make prisoners work, they must pay/contribute to their room & board, not the us, the taxpayers. .............................................................. Same for our servicemen/women, let soldiers be soldiers, I want rough & ready, death dealing, ass kicking, fierce warriors, not the fucking half assed police the liberals want them to be. If our soldiers are the ones that have to catch your terrorist ass, expect it to get handed to you, on your way to the stockade. Let the generals fight the wars, keep the politicians out of it, wind'em up and let'em go. They need to do whatever it takes, screw collateral damage/casualties, they need to wage all out war, our enemies should beg for us to call off the dogs of war. Again, we need more barbarism. You'd fit right in in Iran. Just swap the Koran for a Bible. Personally I am a Good Christian so I share my views on the topic with these Christian leaders. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Buncha lefties on the forum all of a sudden? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZ AKS 1 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) Looks like just one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrTbICPIhbc Edited December 2, 2009 by AZ AKS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Buncha lefties on the forum all of a sudden? Just people with brains. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Buncha lefties on the forum all of a sudden? Just people with brains. No, just big egos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I might support them if there was any reason to believe that it would do any good. A bit of research will show you that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime. It seems that the serious criminals don't do a whole lot of worrying about silly things like the consequences of getting caught. In another vein I would like to think that such barbaric activities are one of the things that separate the US of A from extremist Muslim and communist countries where they do such things. Actually, it's a great deterrent to crime. Because once the son of a bitch is hung, he ain't gonna commit any more crimes. And who knows, maybe his kin and friends will get the message and stop their crimes before they get the same. Incorrect. As the cold, hard facts here show, the murder rate is higher (often significantly so) in states having the death penalty every year since 1990. Other studies show the same. It may seem like a good idea but it doesn't work. You've missed my point completely. The death penalty deters the offender from ever repeating his crimes....because he is dead. If he weren't dead he would be adding to the crime statistics as rates of recidivism are ridiculously high. Another great reason for locking criminals up and keeping them there instead of recycling them three to five times like we are prone to do now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lg308 2 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 The problem is some of you people dont care about the other side of the coin like I do. Covicted criminals have FEELINGS too!!! A more sensitive person would under stand this. So the only logical why to solve this problem is to Quickly stop the warm hearted blood flow to their misguided brains and thereupon all sence of feelings will no longer exist for them. PROBLEM SOLVED. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dlcjr1973 24 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 The problem is some of you people dont care about the other side of the coin like I do. Covicted criminals have FEELINGS too!!! A more sensitive person would under stand this. So the only logical why to solve this problem is to Quickly stop the warm hearted blood flow to their misguided brains and thereupon all sence of feelings will no longer exist for them. PROBLEM SOLVED. lg308, I'll join your "Wicked Sensitive Crew!" Regards, Sapper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3eZ-KgwXkY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Another thing to consider, and I'm not bullshitting here, is that it has been proven that shortly following an execution, the level of violent crime rises in the area immediately surrounding the location of the execution. None of the criminologists' studies that I read had any solid research to prove why, only that it did occur. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Buncha lefties on the forum all of a sudden? Just people with brains. Sir, you have a brain like a steel trap -snapped shut and rusted. I came from rough streets and made my way out with hard work and God given talent. It is obvious you have no life experience to form an intelligent opinion. Please go troll somewhere else until you grow up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Another thing to consider, and I'm not bullshitting here, is that it has been proven that shortly following an execution, the level of violent crime rises in the area immediately surrounding the location of the execution. None of the criminologists' studies that I read had any solid research to prove why, only that it did occur. Dat just be da survivin' family members blowin' off some steam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I had a lot to say on the matter, but after reading three pages, it has already been said, so I'll say AMEN AND AMEN!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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