Unbelievable

[SaigaNoobie 66]

So I went to the range this morning. Sighted in my .308v21 with some Winchester Hunting Soft Points... 180gr maybe... idk they were loose in an ammo can. Only had 20. I had just put on my PSOP 6x scope to make my Poor-man's Dragunov...

 

Sighted her in at 50, and went to the 200 yard range with my savage .270. Shot the savage and for some reason brought out the .308 Saiga to test her at 200..... Loaded 8rds and with a spotter, shot 4 and he tells me, looks like you're 6inches high because the shots were hitting the cardboard above the target, so instead of aiming at the center, I aimed at the bottom of the target, and the next four rounds AT 200 yards, did this:

 

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

Edited August 8, 2010 by SN13

[Nailbomb 10,221]

Thats a crazy group for that gun.

 

You should apropriatly adjust your sights and see if you can duplicate those results.

[mav 459]

So I went to the range this morning. Sighted in my .308v21 with some Winchester Hunting Soft Points... 180gr maybe... idk they were loose in an ammo can. Only had 20. I had just put on my PSOP 6x scope to make my Poor-man's Dragunov...

 

Sighted her in at 50, and went to the 200 yard range with my savage .270. Shot the savage and for some reason brought out the .308 Saiga to test her at 200..... Loaded 8rds and with a spotter, shot 4 and he tells me, looks like you're 6inches high because the shots were hitting the cardboard above the target, so instead of aiming at the center, I aimed at the bottom of the target, and the next four rounds AT 200 yards, did this:

 

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

 

 

 

 

According to some here you must be a liar, but I believe you.

[308SAIGA 55]

Sorry NS I did not make it out their today... Glad to hear you did all right....

[frowhite 7]

wow, very nice... how much you want for it

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

I believe you.

 

No problem believing you, too many claim 1.5-2 MOA, for them all to be full of shit.

And I've seen pics from one or two, who hand load their ammo and get sub-1 MOA.

 

But I'd like to see you consistently repeat that... Now that'd put the naysayers in fits.

......................

 

 

 

 

This is why I can't wait to get my S.308-ver.21 scoped and get a box (or two) each of various premium hunting ammo & match grade.

 

This 50 yard sight in using the iron sights and commercial hunting ammo, is promising.

First four are center and climbing as I adjusted the elevation, second group was after final adjustment of elevation and windage.

Thats a tight group of three, and one high as I exhaled a bit.

 

My 100 yard groups are nothing to brag about, Minute of Man/Deer, and thats it.

But my eyes aren't too great and I need to hone my skills.

Edited August 8, 2010 by ChileRelleno

[paprotective 362]

SN.. I believe you.. Very Nice BTW...

 

I managed a crappy 3 1/2" by 2 1/4" group at 200 a few weeks back sighting in my new scope..

 

The V21 may have a tighter assembly from the factory vs. adding a G2 and converting a std S308..

 

I know my smaller groups at 100 yards were originally done with 150gr Winchester Power Points..

 

I then added the G2 and Drag type stock.. (which can be interesting to shoot with the WIDE grip area)

 

Going to order 1 box of the Priv Partizan 168gr MATCH ammo and see what I can pull off next outing in a few weeks..

 

Doing the muzzle brake threading this week and such.

 

Al

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

Wait a cotton picking minute, you're a liar... That or we have very different ways of measuring Group Size & MOA.

 

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" Group Size

Or

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" / 1.047"(actual MOA) = 1.042" or 1 MOA

[SaigaNoobie 66]

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

Wait a cotton picking minute, you're a liar... That or we have very different ways of measuring Group Size & MOA.

 

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" Group Size

Or

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" / 1.047"(actual MOA) = 1.042" or 1 MOA

 

You're correct..... for 100 yards... that's a 200 yard group. MOA @ 200 yards is 2.084.

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

Wait a cotton picking minute, you're a liar... That or we have very different ways of measuring Group Size & MOA.

 

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" Group Size

Or

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" / 1.047"(actual MOA) = 1.042" or 1 MOA

 

You're correct..... for 100 yards... that's a 200 yard group. MOA @ 200 yards is 2.084.

D'OH! Kind'a skipped right by the 200 yards... LOL.

[cbienlein 0]

1.4" outside to outside, 200 yards.... that's 1.1" OC group... about .5 MOA.

 

I even think I'm a liar.

Wait a cotton picking minute, you're a liar... That or we have very different ways of measuring Group Size & MOA.

 

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" Group Size

Or

1.400" - .308" = 1.092" / 1.047"(actual MOA) = 1.042" or 1 MOA

 

You're correct..... for 100 yards... that's a 200 yard group. MOA @ 200 yards is 2.084.

D'OH! Kind'a skipped right by the 200 yards... LOL.

 

1MOA @100yds = 1inch

1MOA @200yds = 2inches

1MOA @300yds = 3inches

 

1inch grouping at 200yds is 0.5MOA

[Sir5 1]

SN.. I believe you.. Very Nice BTW...

 

I managed a crappy 3 1/2" by 2 1/4" group at 200 a few weeks back sighting in my new scope..

 

The V21 may have a tighter assembly from the factory vs. adding a G2 and converting a std S308..

 

I know my smaller groups at 100 yards were originally done with 150gr Winchester Power Points..

 

I then added the G2 and Drag type stock.. (which can be interesting to shoot with the WIDE grip area)

 

Going to order 1 box of the Priv Partizan 168gr MATCH ammo and see what I can pull off next outing in a few weeks..

 

Doing the muzzle brake threading this week and such.

 

Al

 

Wait wait... does this mean that you don't really need to convert the VER21, or does it just have the "AK" trigger pull? Like if you wanted to change stocks, would you have to still do some conversion to use a 'non saiga' stock?

[paprotective 362]

Sir5..

 

As far as I know the V21 S308 has a standard AK trigger group in it (not FA obviously)..

 

SN13 can verify this I'm sure..

 

The V21 has kinda a VEPR type stock (aka angle cut) so you'd have to mod a standard AK stock to fit it also..

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Standard AK trigger in the ver.21, no shitty linkage fucking it up, like in the sporting model import.

No need to convert, PG is built into the thumbhole, buy a sport import if ya wanna start customizing a S.308.

 

Why would anyone want to do anything to these beautiful rifles, the wood is 'Nice'.

As is the trigger, way better than the shitty linkage on the regular sporter import.

Standard two stage, about a 1/8" of slack, the tiniest bit of creep & then it breaks crisply with no perceptible over travel.

If I had to guess'timate the pull weight, I'd say 3-4lbs.

Edited August 11, 2010 by ChileRelleno

[SaigaNoobie 66]

I actually put a polymer forearm on mine. I kept scratchin up the wood on trees and shit

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

I actually put a polymer forearm on mine. I kept scratchin up the wood on trees and shit

 

Sheesh....

 

Once they color in and smooth out a bit, those kind of scratches are character marks.

Edited August 11, 2010 by ChileRelleno

[SaigaNoobie 66]

Plus i like the feel of the polymer better. I wish they had a Polymer version of the thumbhole stock. I'd use it

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

D'OH! Kind'a skipped right by the 200 yards... LOL.

 

1MOA @100yds = 1inch

1MOA @200yds = 2inches

1MOA @300yds = 3inches

 

1inch grouping at 200yds is 0.5MOA

No shit?.... One post wonder is trying to educate me?

[cbienlein 0]

It happens

[SaigaNoobie 66]

Technically, 1MOA is 1/60th of a degree of rotation. Being that there are 60 minutes in one degree and 360 degrees in one full rotation. A Circle that is 100 yards in radius (100 yards from you at the epicenter to the edge) would be 628.31853 yards in circumference.

 

628.31853 yards, divided by 360 degrees gives us 1.745329252 yards per degree. Divide that by 60 and you get 0.029088821 yards is ONE MoA. There are 36" in a yard so if we multiply that we get 1.0472" is one MOA.

 

Radians are a little easier to use since one Milliradian is 1/1000th the distance. I.E. 1 Mil at 100 is 3.6" given that 3.6"x1000 is 3600 inches or 100 yards.

[cw3sting 12]

 

Going to order 1 box of the Priv Partizan 168gr MATCH ammo and see what I can pull off next outing in a few weeks..

 

Doing the muzzle brake threading this week and such.

 

 

Good luck with the Prvi. I tried it in mine and got nothing but failures to extract. Be sure and post your experience.

 

Awesome job on the threading work btw. Let us know about blast, noise, and flash difference from stock.

 

Thanks.

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

SN13,

something to think about, pop that FSB off and give it a 11' crown.

I plan on doing just that, should make more of a difference over the factory muzzle.

 

Going to move the FSB back, thread, crown and install a comp.

[sh00ter 4]

Technically, 1MOA is 1/60th of a degree of rotation. Being that there are 60 minutes in one degree and 360 degrees in one full rotation. A Circle that is 100 yards in radius (100 yards from you at the epicenter to the edge) would be 628.31853 yards in circumference.

 

628.31853 yards, divided by 360 degrees gives us 1.745329252 yards per degree. Divide that by 60 and you get 0.029088821 yards is ONE MoA. There are 36" in a yard so if we multiply that we get 1.0472" is one MOA.

 

Radians are a little easier to use since one Milliradian is 1/1000th the distance. I.E. 1 Mil at 100 is 3.6" given that 3.6"x1000 is 3600 inches or 100 yards.

 

well ive learned something new today! brain is hurting a little now though, was easier thinking it was an inch @ 100 though!

[cbienlein 0]

Going to order 1 box of the Priv Partizan 168gr MATCH ammo and see what I can pull off next outing in a few weeks..

 

Doing the muzzle brake threading this week and such.

 

 

Good luck with the Prvi. I tried it in mine and got nothing but failures to extract. Be sure and post your experience.

 

Awesome job on the threading work btw. Let us know about blast, noise, and flash difference from stock.

 

Thanks.

 

+1 to Prvi sucking. Its not match quality by any means, but its cheap. I ran a few hundred rounds through my POF 308 and while I didnt have FTE/FTF problems, the accuracy wasnt any different from ball surplus.

[SaigaNoobie 66]

SN13,

something to think about, pop that FSB off and give it a 11' crown.

I plan on doing just that, should make more of a difference over the factory muzzle.

 

Going to move the FSB back, thread, crown and install a comp.

 

I've been considering removing the FSB and re-crowning the barrel to an 11* target crown... the only thing holding me back? That my gun shoots so well.