Which Russian Red dot ?

[skiboatsp 111]

If you had this saiga

 

 

which red dot for rail would you use?

 

 

 

 

I believe the PK-AS W weaver mount would be too tall

[jimdigriz 580]

Not to hijack your thread I hope, but what handguard is that?

 

As far as the sights go, just curious, why do you want a Russian one? For the sake of function, I'd go with something else, but if you want "the look", that's OK.

[The Commodore 0]

I have a PK-AS side mount that is offset to the barrel. It's on my AK though. I like it.

[Arnisandyz 0]

Hanguard looks ilike a dragunov modified to fit?

[Paulyski 2,227]

I would go for this one;

 

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

[skiboatsp 111]

I would go for this one;

 

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

 

I'm thinking the same thing

 

The hand guard is a Dragunov made to fit the s12 by legion

[Paulyski 2,227]

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

 

I'm thinking the same thing

 

The hand guard is a Dragunov made to fit the s12 by legion

Aren't you the guy who did the hinged cover S-12 shorty?

 

If so, are you planning to clone a Legion?

[skiboatsp 111]

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

 

I'm thinking the same thing

 

The hand guard is a Dragunov made to fit the s12 by legion

Aren't you the guy who did the hinged cover S-12 shorty?

 

If so, are you planning to clone a Legion?

 

 

I don't know nuttin

[skiboatsp 111]

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

 

I'm thinking the same thing

 

The hand guard is a Dragunov made to fit the s12 by legion

Aren't you the guy who did the hinged cover S-12 shorty?

 

If so, are you planning to clone a Legion?

 

 

I don't know nuttin

 

Yes I did a s12-SU and a saiga s12K spetsnaz-3

 

I would post pics but it looks like the administrator has me locked out who knows why?

[jimdigriz 580]

Looking over your choices again, I don't see why you would want the PK-AS. The elevation cam is wasted on a shotgun. You don't really need the multiple reticles on the Kobra either, since you are not shooting for distance/precision. If those are your three choices, go with the PK-01.

[wired 27]

FWIW tubed red dot sights are very difficult to use and shoot at quick moving objects like skeet. Open collimator sights like the virtually unavailable Kobra are a better choice.

[TX-Zen 287]

The PK-AS is great for rifles but the S12 beats them to death. The windage and elevation dials eventually work loose and cause the elevation shaft to pop out of the tube.

 

On rifles the PK-AS is fantastic, it's just not so hot for the 12

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm happy with the Rakurz that I picked up recently, it's perfect for slugs and does alright with clays. Definately not as fast as irons or HK sights but it's good enough for fun.

 

They have a weaver model of the Rakuz on Kalinka, but for the money I'd just go with an Aimpoint.

 

 

 

Z

[Tony44 1]

What do you guys think of a PK-A on a Saiga-12?

[TX-Zen 287]

For clays the PK-A will probably be tough to use...the tubular effect is very pronounced which is one reason I prefer the PK-AS overall, but as I mentioned the PK-AS isn't so great on an S12 due to the recoil.

 

The PK-A has the advantage of being simpler to adjust than a PK-AS, so if you're zeroing for slugs it will be much much easier with a PK-A (it uses PSO style turrets for adjustments instead of harder to reach screws like the PK-AS). I'd avoid the black painted PK-A's, those are made for the civilian market and don't hold up very well even on rifles. Go for the hammer grey version, those are milspec and good to go, probably will be able to withstand the S12.

 

Kobra's are fun red dots too but I don't think it's going to stand up to an S12 for an extended duration. It might, but my subjective opinion is they aren't as tough as the PK-A and PK-AS based on using all of them side by side for several years. The Kobra is also mildy susceptible to rain or debris blocking the emitter since it's on top of the optic body but I haven't actually heard of anyone complaining, it's just been observed that it could cause a problem.

 

 

One of the reasons I went with the Rakurz is the etched reticule...it's like a regular scope (same as the PK-AS) and isn't a battery powered red dot. The advantage is it's always on and you don't have to worry about batteries, presumably the optic can take some additional knocking around since the electronics aren't required for function. IMO the Rakurz is also built tougher than any of the PK series optics, I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled the PSO scopes in toughness.

 

 

 

 

 

Z

[kmoore 3]

I haven't looked at these for a bit ... but beware of the Kobra's that use the AA batteries ... I selected this as AA's are easy to come by. But, the batteries lay in the same direction of the recoil and they beat each other up. I actually had some cheap batteries that flattened one of the nippled ends ... others just stopped working ... assuming that they developed internal problems? When I'd shoot a match, I replaced the batteries at the beginning of each stage (5-40 rounds) just to make sure that the sight wouldn't quit on me midway thru a stage ... it happened numerous times before I got to replacing batteries so often.

 

I LOVED the Kobra's reticle, found the dot good for distant slugs (the dot sits high enough to compensate for wolf slug drop at 85 yards), and the chevron good for the close up stuff.

 

YMMV

[skiboatsp 111]

 

For you other guys, the hand guard is made to look like a Dragunov's, but it's made for the S-12

 

It's a Legion... A REALLY high end factory S-12.

(Or a GREAT clone of one.)

 

I'm thinking the same thing

 

The hand guard is a Dragunov made to fit the s12 by legion

Aren't you the guy who did the hinged cover S-12 shorty?

 

If so, are you planning to clone a Legion?

 

 

I don't know nuttin

 

Yes I did a s12-SU and a saiga s12K spetsnaz-3

 

I would post pics but it looks like the administrator has me locked out who knows why?

 

Still locked out and no answer to email

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

I think you should consider Russian optic "D"; a PK 23, (PK 23-01). Website pic:

 

 

I just bought one myself; primarily to use on my rifle.

 

 

 

I'll see how it does on my S-12. It's like a PK-01 but smaller, lighter, and with a pulsing red dot, (easier to see in any lighting condition).

Edited August 30, 2010 by post-apocalyptic

[skiboatsp 111]

For clays the PK-A will probably be tough to use...the tubular effect is very pronounced which is one reason I prefer the PK-AS overall, but as I mentioned the PK-AS isn't so great on an S12 due to the recoil.

 

The PK-A has the advantage of being simpler to adjust than a PK-AS, so if you're zeroing for slugs it will be much much easier with a PK-A (it uses PSO style turrets for adjustments instead of harder to reach screws like the PK-AS). I'd avoid the black painted PK-A's, those are made for the civilian market and don't hold up very well even on rifles. Go for the hammer grey version, those are milspec and good to go, probably will be able to withstand the S12.

 

Kobra's are fun red dots too but I don't think it's going to stand up to an S12 for an extended duration. It might, but my subjective opinion is they aren't as tough as the PK-A and PK-AS based on using all of them side by side for several years. The Kobra is also mildy susceptible to rain or debris blocking the emitter since it's on top of the optic body but I haven't actually heard of anyone complaining, it's just been observed that it could cause a problem.

 

 

One of the reasons I went with the Rakurz is the etched reticule...it's like a regular scope (same as the PK-AS) and isn't a battery powered red dot. The advantage is it's always on and you don't have to worry about batteries, presumably the optic can take some additional knocking around since the electronics aren't required for function. IMO the Rakurz is also built tougher than any of the PK series optics, I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled the PSO scopes in toughness.

 

 

 

 

 

Z

 

thanks tx-zen but remember I need a weaver/picatiny mount. I would have to build a mount a put Rakurz side mount in box to gather dust.

 

Ops just saw your eariler post

Edited September 2, 2010 by saigatechusa

[skiboatsp 111]

I think you should consider Russian optic "D"; a PK 23, (PK 23-01). Website pic:

 

 

I just bought one myself; primarily to use on my rifle.

 

 

 

I'll see how it does on my S-12. It's like a PK-01 but smaller, lighter, and with a pulsing red dot, (easier to see in any lighting condition).

 

Thanks post-apocalyptic It's a hard choice indeed!!