DrGonZo 157 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I posted this question in the "Dimples?" sticky, but have not seen any replies yet. I was just curious because I spoke with Tom Cole about some warranty work (canted FSB), but since its not a RAA Saiga, its not covered. But he told me that I have a "Very rare gun". Whats so special about Legions? It looks the same to me aside from the dimples and no chamber step. It also had the PG hole already cutThanks in advance to anyone that has any info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 As to my limited knowledge, you've pretty much nailed it. Oh, it gives the purists something to stick their noses up about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I posted this question in the "Dimples?" sticky, but have not seen any replies yet. I was just curious because I spoke with Tom Cole about some warranty work (canted FSB), but since its not a RAA Saiga, its not covered. But he told me that I have a "Very rare gun". Whats so special about Legions? It looks the same to me aside from the dimples and no chamber step. It also had the PG hole already cutThanks in advance to anyone that has any info. Was this one of the rifles imported by Mercury Hermes with the RAA info etched out? If so that would explain why it is not covered as the warranty contract was between Cadiz and RAA. You would have to contact Mercury Hermes and see if they have anyone contracted to do warranty work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes, it is a MH import. I called them today and am waiting to hear back... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grendelz 61 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Its kinda funny MH has to call you back. Anybody know if K-var has answered who's doing their warranty work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Great, I hope we haven't moved on to an unreliable importer... I'm not sure if anyone here is doing business yet with Mercury Hermes as far as warranty work and obtaining rifles for sale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I posted this question in the "Dimples?" sticky, but have not seen any replies yet. I was just curious because I spoke with Tom Cole about some warranty work (canted FSB), but since its not a RAA Saiga, its not covered. But he told me that I have a "Very rare gun". Whats so special about Legions? It looks the same to me aside from the dimples and no chamber step. It also had the PG hole already cutThanks in advance to anyone that has any info. I think you pretty much got it covered for the most part. Additionally, the Legion guns don't have the rivets for the FCG like the RAA ones do. I think the RAA are considered more of a civilian type gun, while the Legions are more closer to what is issued to the Russian military. Other than that, they are pretty much the same as far as I know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) I think you pretty much got it covered for the most part. Additionally, the Legion guns don't have the rivets for the FCG like the RAA ones do. I think the RAA are considered more of a civilian type gun, while the Legions are more closer to what is issued to the Russian military. Other than that, they are pretty much the same as far as I know. Which rivets are you talking about, the sporter FCG rivets? The Legions also have a dust cover with a stamped lower section (for lack of terminology), for a tighter fit to the receiver. Gonzo, where'd you get your Legion iz132? Edited January 14, 2011 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I think you pretty much got it covered for the most part. Additionally, the Legion guns don't have the rivets for the FCG like the RAA ones do. I think the RAA are considered more of a civilian type gun, while the Legions are more closer to what is issued to the Russian military. Other than that, they are pretty much the same as far as I know. Which rivets are you talking about, the sporter FCG rivets? The Legions also have a dust cover with a stamped lower section (for lack of terminology), for a tighter fit to the receiver. Gonzo, where'd you get your Legion iz132? Yes,I was referring to the sporter FCG rivets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I got it from ArmsofAmerica.com. I also bought my .308 from them. I asked if they had any with dimples and they said yes, so I got one. If you call them, make sure to ask them to check for a canted FSB because mine has one... and its a dimpled on FSB so I cant just take it off by removing pins because there are none. I need to drill out the dimples, press it off, ream it out a tiny bit, and put it back on straight and weld it in place. WAY more involved than a normal FSB fix. I already talked with Tom at CGW and he will fix it, for a fee of course. I heard back from MH and they said that I need to call RAA to find out who is responsible for warranty work... so pretty much its not covered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Yes,I was referring to the sporter FCG rivets. I dont notice anything different between my MH iz240 and my RAA iz132 in regards to the sporter configuration. EDIT: Its not mine but an example of a Legion iz240 (post #2), mine is identical. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=60513 Edited January 14, 2011 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yes,I was referring to the sporter FCG rivets. I dont notice anything different between my MH iz240 and my RAA iz132 in regards to the sporter configuration. EDIT: Its not mine but an example of a Legion iz240 (post #2), mine is identical. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=60513 Perhaps I misunderstood exactly what the OP was asking. I was just comparing an RAA sporter which has FCG rivets to my SGL-20 that does not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Heh, I didn't even realize I had a Legion Saiga until I read this thread. Sweet. I hope that means my trigger and grip nut holes are already cut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 DrGonZo.. what holds the bottom plate on if it is NOT held by rivets?? thats what I want to know.. Maybe the new MH ones are easier to revert back to the original design Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Mine was riveted on... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 oh!, I think the Legions also come with a 1000m rear sight leaf instead of the 300m on a civilian. not sure if this was mentioned yet. Can anyone confirm this? I dont have a Legion Dimple Gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yes,I was referring to the sporter FCG rivets. I dont notice anything different between my MH iz240 and my RAA iz132 in regards to the sporter configuration. EDIT: Its not mine but an example of a Legion iz240 (post #2), mine is identical. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=60513 Perhaps I misunderstood exactly what the OP was asking. I was just comparing an RAA sporter which has FCG rivets to my SGL-20 that does not. There in lies the confusion. Sporter are imported with riveted trigget plate, and shoulder pinned FCG. If the RAA saiga contains rivets holding the FCG, then it is a sporter. If a SGL20 has a forward trigger and pistol grip it is not a sporter. The RAA comes with rivets and shoulder pins. A SGL20 does not come with rivets in the FCG. The SGL20 is not a sporter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 oh!, I think the Legions also come with a 1000m rear sight leaf instead of the 300m on a civilian. not sure if this was mentioned yet. Can anyone confirm this? I dont have a Legion Dimple Gun Mine has the 300m leaf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WildmamWilliams 51 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Mine has the 300m leaf, and it marks cartridges. All the holes were cut though. And since the one in the linked pic is mine, I know it's a legion. lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Sweet, looks like I have a good chance of having precut holes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stink Star 13 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 My gun had a threaded barrel, Precut PG hole, and dimples.... I think its an RAA though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 oh!, I think the Legions also come with a 1000m rear sight leaf instead of the 300m on a civilian. not sure if this was mentioned yet. Can anyone confirm this? I dont have a Legion Dimple Gun Mine only has a 300m leaf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Just pulled her apart today. Mine does indeed have precut trigger and PG nut holes. It's probably safe to assume by this point that most if not all Legions are precut? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 oh!, I think the Legions also come with a 1000m rear sight leaf instead of the 300m on a civilian. not sure if this was mentioned yet. Can anyone confirm this? I dont have a Legion Dimple Gun Mine only has a 300m leaf. I read that somewhere, maybe its only KVAR Legions? Thanks for the clarification though. BUSTED! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Every Saiga I've dissected, all produced from '06 to '09, none of which were legion had the correct holes pre-cut. But maybe that's just the flow of things around here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Its kinda funny MH has to call you back. Anybody know if K-var has answered who's doing their warranty work? Yes they do it in house. If you call the warranty info number in your manual you will get fine service.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyblaster 2 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 So if you have a Legion is it worth more then just a RAA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob-cubed 74 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm still a little unclear on what the Arsenal Legions look like, in their imported form, compared to the sporters the rest of us get. Do they have some special arrangement to get a base gun into the country that that has never had a trigger installed in its rearward "sporter" position? Or do they get a sporter and weld up the holes? Is their anything else special about these Legions, like a correct handguard retainer or gas block already installed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 All the imported legions I've seen look just like regular sporters. They just have Legion stamped on the side, and have a higher chance of having dimples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Isn't postapocalyptic's Arsenal Legion stamped? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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