20nickels 21 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I've never converted a Saiga personally, so I speak here with some naivety . . . but to me it looks like the button just behind the magazine release might get in the way of the trigger guard, if it were to be moved forward for a pistol grip conversion. What do you guys think? Ordered one last night, popped my S12 cherry! It looks awfull close to a converted trigger guard, but you should be able to work around it unless there is internal interferance to the rivets/bolts. Any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeep297 20 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Sold out now, as well as the basic model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I've never converted a Saiga personally, so I speak here with some naivety . . . but to me it looks like the button just behind the magazine release might get in the way of the trigger guard, if it were to be moved forward for a pistol grip conversion. What do you guys think? Yeah, someone else mentioned that. Most likely with the longer trigger guard like the Tromix, it might be a problem. The others should be OK, though, I'm not sure. I only have experience with the Tromix. But anyway..........you've been a member since '07 and haven't converted a Saiga? Blasphemous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raleighsaiga 81 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Ordered one last night, popped my S12 cherry! It looks awfull close to a converted trigger guard, but you should be able to work around it unless there is internal interferance to the rivets/bolts. Any thoughts? Watch the following video. At 5:22, you get a great close-up shot of the magwell version of the LRBHO. You can see its relationship to the front of the factory forward trigger guard. Also, you can see how it operates with and without a magazine. ETA: Link to video (doh!). Edited February 2, 2011 by Raleigh Saiga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LowCapacity 3 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ordered one last night, popped my S12 cherry! It looks awfull close to a converted trigger guard, but you should be able to work around it unless there is internal interferance to the rivets/bolts. Any thoughts? Watch the following video. At 5:22, you get a great close-up shot of the magwell version of the LRBHO. You can see its relationship to the front of the factory forward trigger guard. Also, you can see how it operates with and without a magazine. ETA: Link to video (doh!). I must have Saiga-12S Exp-01-030. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
20nickels 21 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Yes, that had some very cool features and the video was helpfull too, tks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsawy93 19 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ordered one last night, popped my S12 cherry! It looks awfull close to a converted trigger guard, but you should be able to work around it unless there is internal interferance to the rivets/bolts. Any thoughts? Watch the following video. At 5:22, you get a great close-up shot of the magwell version of the LRBHO. You can see its relationship to the front of the factory forward trigger guard. Also, you can see how it operates with and without a magazine. ETA: Link to video (doh!). I must have Saiga-12S Exp-01-030. I WANT, TOO!!! Great video, too!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeep297 20 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 For anyone who ordered one, I talked to K-Var and they said there was a delay in their shipment due to snow and that they will be receiving/shipping them out starting on Monday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mellow 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 looks like they put more of the BHO on the site, 92 at last check a few mins ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC913 324 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yeah and I'm sure they pulled all of the other Saiga 12's until they sell all of the LRBHO. More money that way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 No way they would never Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mellow 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 No way they would never how's K-VAR customer service? I placed an order 03 jan for 2 ak upper handguard catches, never got em , emailed their customer service several times for status , no response, disputed the charge. Is this unusual for them ? hopefully my saiga order goes thru Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Well based off your review, it doesn't sound great, can't say for myself. But several other member could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sleepersilverado 3 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 All my dealings with k-var have went smooth with no issues. I have purchased 2 guns and a butt sock from them and at the same time my father and uncle purchased guns from them with no issues. I though they left the butt stock latch out of my folding Russian stock and emailed them. They replied within a day and it ended up being an oversight on my part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I do not doubt their history completely....there are numerous people well satisfied with Kvar. But here lately they shirley have been swamped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skymaster 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ordered on Feb 1 St got my ups tracking and confirmation on the 3 rd to my door by the 8 the according to ups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mellow 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ordered on Feb 1 St got my ups tracking and confirmation on the 3 rd to my door by the 8 the according to ups. was this for a saiga shotgun? ordered mine 1/31, still processing, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skymaster 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yes its for a saiga12. I called and dealt directly over the phone @1030am on the first next day my paid invoice was in my email and the following day ups tracking# and delivery date. Skymaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daddy-o 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raleighsaiga 81 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ordered on Feb 1 St got my ups tracking and confirmation on the 3 rd to my door by the 8 the according to ups. ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Were these for the 109BHO, or for the non-LRBHO model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibby 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Don't you guys ordering in the past few days have any fear that the S-12 will be banned? Wouldn't you want to see what the ATF's determination will be, before buying? Just asking, because I don't have the nerve to step up to the plate, for fear of losing money. Not trying to create a problem for anybody. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raleighsaiga 81 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Don't you guys ordering in the past few days have any fear that the S-12 will be banned? Wouldn't you wantto see what the ATF's determination will be, before buying? Just asking, because I don't have the nerve to step up to the plate, for fear of losing money. Not trying to create a problem for anybody. The Saiga would never be banned by the ATF, say like private ownership of explosives or something like that. At worst, it will be declared a "destructive device," which means that you will have to get the NFA paperwork for the Saigas you own, and then future purchasers will have to jump through those hoops as well. Should the ATF ban the import of the Saiga 12, the value of those already here could easily double. Should they become DDs, the value could be hurt as those living in areas that forbid DDs try to sell what they've got before the grace period is up. Yes, buying a Saiga 12 might be a bit speculative right now, but for many of us, no matter what happens later, we will still be able to keep what we have. A true ban would have to come from Congress, and that is highly unlikely right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibby 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) Don't you guys ordering in the past few days have any fear that the S-12 will be banned? Wouldn't you wantto see what the ATF's determination will be, before buying? Just asking, because I don't have the nerve to step up to the plate, for fear of losing money. Not trying to create a problem for anybody. The Saiga would never be banned by the ATF, say like private ownership of explosives or something like that. At worst, it will be declared a "destructive device," which means that you will have to get the NFA paperwork for the Saigas you own, and then future purchasers will have to jump through those hoops as well. Should the ATF ban the import of the Saiga 12, the value of those already here could easily double. Should they become DDs, the value could be hurt as those living in areas that forbid DDs try to sell what they've got before the grace period is up. Yes, buying a Saiga 12 might be a bit speculative right now, but for many of us, no matter what happens later, we will still be able to keep what we have. A true ban would have to come from Congress, and that is highly unlikely right now. Thank you for your reply. What would happen if the ATF said the S-12's could stay, but only with , say, a 5 rd. magazine and no more. I,m talking about value of the firearm. I am able to get a Saiga 12 for $648.00 (tax included), but don't enjoy over paying. Edited February 4, 2011 by Gibby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
busarider 23 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 No way they would never how's K-VAR customer service? I placed an order 03 jan for 2 ak upper handguard catches, never got em , emailed their customer service several times for status , no response, disputed the charge. Is this unusual for them ? hopefully my saiga order goes thru I bought a pistol grip from them a year ago. Their shipping charges are kind of step. The grip was $20 and the shipping was around $10. I called them a few times and got customer service every time and was very helpful. I would consider buying from them if I could not find what I was looking for some where else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raleighsaiga 81 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Thank you for your reply. What would happen if the ATF said the S-12's could stay, but only with , say, a 5 rd. magazine and no more. I,m talking about value of the firearm. I am able to get a Saiga 12 for $648.00 (tax included), but don't enjoy over paying. There is absolutely no way to predict this at all. Either buy it or don't, but do it because you want to, not because someone said you probably won't lose money. P.S. $648 for the 109BHO might not be as much "overpaying" as you are suggesting. It appears to be a good step up from the non-LRBHO models, which is why I happily placed my order for one. If you are paying that for a standard S12, then yes, you are getting less than you could for the same money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daddy-o 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Raleigh, I ordered the non LRBHO. When I called to talk with them about the LRBHO, they told me they had a few regular saiga 12's still. So I ordered one. Shipping is never bad on rifles from them. Yes sometimes small things is a pain in butt, but rifles is flat 15.00 shipping. Not to bad. I have never had any problems with their service and I have several rifles from them. Just passing the word along cause I know how hard it is to find one of these now (besides I will probably need help when I go to convert it). thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mellow 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Raleigh, I ordered the non LRBHO. When I called to talk with them about the LRBHO, they told me they had a few regular saiga 12's still. So I ordered one. Shipping is never bad on rifles from them. Yes sometimes small things is a pain in butt, but rifles is flat 15.00 shipping. Not to bad. I have never had any problems with their service and I have several rifles from them. Just passing the word along cause I know how hard it is to find one of these now (besides I will probably need help when I go to convert it). thanks for my order, shipping is 30 to the east coast . i ordered 2 ak gas tube springs(very small part) which brought shipping up to 33, seems kinda steep to me but glad to hear of others good experiences with the company overall Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeep297 20 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ordered on Feb 1 St got my ups tracking and confirmation on the 3 rd to my door by the 8 the according to ups. ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Were these for the 109BHO, or for the non-LRBHO model? The LRBHO model was held up due to weather and KVAR won't even have them till this coming Monday. I ordered two basic models two weeks ago when the price was $489 and had them within a week. Patiently waiting on the LRBHO model I ordered last Friday now. Some people don't like KVAR (usually complain about shipping price) but they have always been good to me. Even got one of their sgl21s for $499 when they were doing that awesome sale about a year ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeep297 20 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Don't you guys ordering in the past few days have any fear that the S-12 will be banned? Wouldn't you want to see what the ATF's determination will be, before buying? Just asking, because I don't have the nerve to step up to the plate, for fear of losing money. Not trying to create a problem for anybody. Depends on how much you want one and the price you find. I've always wanted one and figured when the rumors first started was as good as time as any. Now I happily own 3 of them and didn't over-pay on any. The closest your going to get to a normal price right now seems to be the LRBHO model from kvar. Don't buy thinking about profit/losses, only buy if its something you really want at a price that your comfortable with regardless of what happens. Hopefully most people learned their lesson during the AR buying craze. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibby 0 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ordered on Feb 1 St got my ups tracking and confirmation on the 3 rd to my door by the 8 the according to ups. ordered mine yesterday at 1100. got my ups conformation at 5pm. scheduled delivery on the 8th. not to bad. thanks Were these for the 109BHO, or for the non-LRBHO model? The LRBHO model was held up due to weather and KVAR won't even have them till this coming Monday. I ordered two basic models two weeks ago when the price was $489 and had them within a week. Patiently waiting on the LRBHO model I ordered last Friday now. Some people don't like KVAR (usually complain about shipping price) but they have always been good to me. Even got one of their sgl21s for $499 when they were doing that awesome sale about a year ago. Is K-Var the only one that sells the IZH 109BHO? Or, do all tof the more recent ones sold by dealers/importers represent the BHO? Does the packaging (box) say BHO on it? Does nthe firearm have BHO written on it? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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