sickness 89 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Just out of curiosity.. has anyone ever made an underbarrel attached shotgun like the KAC Masterkey out of an S12? Pics would be great. These 6" builds that were posted recently look like they would be perfect, if you can get the mount to hold up. Edited April 8, 2011 by sickness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
btr 15 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Yes, Red Jacket Firearms makes one. It was featured on "Sons of Guns". I believe there is a picture on their website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scatillac 22 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Yes, Red Jacket Firearms makes one. It was featured on "Sons of Guns". I believe there is a picture on their website. Yes what a great episode. Well all of them are anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Just out of curiosity.. has anyone ever made an underbarrel attached shotgun like the KAC Masterkey out of an S12? Pics would be great. whad'oya live under a rock? Edited April 8, 2011 by AZG 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dandiesel 16 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 That would be something to lug around! Might as well carry something belt fed in 7.62 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 That would be something to lug around! Might as well carry something belt fed in 7.62 its not very practical for civilian use or to lug around in a SHTF type situation, which is why on the show it was for swat??or something similar. Its main use is for breaching doors. other than that its probably more weight than its worth. cool looking though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bagelthief 1 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Just out of curiosity.. has anyone ever made an underbarrel attached shotgun like the KAC Masterkey out of an S12? Pics would be great. whad'oya live under a rock? They REALLY fucked up on that one...Imagine if they would have done it the right way and used a converted Saiga! There would be a badass pistol grip right there (preferably a hogue) and it would give you an awesome forward grip, making the platform that much easier to handle... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Just out of curiosity.. has anyone ever made an underbarrel attached shotgun like the KAC Masterkey out of an S12? Pics would be great. whad'oya live under a rock? They REALLY fucked up on that one...Imagine if they would have done it the right way and used a converted Saiga! There would be a badass pistol grip right there (preferably a hogue) and it would give you an awesome forward grip, making the platform that much easier to handle... aside from probably being heavy, I think its a damn good job. They created thier own mount for it and entertained me at the same time. Not sure if a pistol grip would be necessary, but that has to do with personal preference. None of these have a PG: Edited April 8, 2011 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sickness 89 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Yeah, I dunno about that. The mount seats the S12 a bit low. There is no room on the mag to use as a handle. Looks like their mount is just an ARMS type cammed mount screwed into a quad rail.. I seriously doubt it would handle repeated firing.. and even if it did, most of the quad rail will remain unused .. which just adds a tremendous amount of weight no reason.. Having used a Masterkey I can say that while they do add weight it is more the balance that is a problem. One thing that makes it easier to handle is to use an A2 style butt on the AR that you can load down with lead shot, or a pouch with a mag on the side. Helps to make the gun feel less muzzle heavy by shifting the center of gravity more into your shoulder. Of course, you didn't want to hike with it so much, but it made pointing it much easier. Still a PITA to pump the action though. Its a shame this was executed so poorly.. because the S12 has a lot of potential in this regard, I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sickness 89 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Yes, Red Jacket Firearms makes one. It was featured on "Sons of Guns". I believe there is a picture on their website. I don't watch TV, generally speaking. I used to not even watch the news at all. Gives me loads of time to work on my various hobbies. Though it does make for awkward moments at times. Like when I had no idea what had happened on 9/11 until a friend told me over dinner that night. I started watching 30 minutes of news every day after that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I've got a size 12 Tmberland door breacher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I've got a size 12 Tmberland door breacher. here's mine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I've got a size 12 Tmberland door breacher. here's mine Dude....where do I order?...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 How about this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 How about this? The video at the bottom of your post makes me want to trade my girlfriend for one of your shotguns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrmallek 53 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 (edited) How about this? Doug, Always gotta feed my inferiority complex, huh? seriously - that looks good - what is the barrel length? And, if you guys could put together a gallery page on your site for some of us to drool over, that would be cool. Edited April 9, 2011 by mark mallek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 I still don't see a need for such a big masterkey. A Serbu Super Shorty with a breacher brake or standoff device would suffice IMO without all the weight. If you've ever cleared rooms before, the less weight on the weapon the better it is for you to cover your sector. Swinging a carbine with a magazine fed shotty around when violence of action and speed are crucial doesn't make sense. It would be like having your machinegunner in your stack. You'd have to cover his sector as well as he would be too slow to get on target. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 I am with you the "master key" is about silly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 I am with you the "master key" is about silly. But it looks so bad-ass! Just imagine a Beta-Mag in the M-4 and an MD-20 in the Saiga-12... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 It could be used with nonlethals as a warning shot or proof of escalation of force. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 It could be used with nonlethals as a warning shot or proof of escalation of force. If you are breaching a door, it kind of went past that escalation of force threshold though and there is no way I'm entering the "Fatal Funnel" armed with nonlethals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 can breaching rounds even cycle a semi auto shotgun? i've only seen them used in pumps... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sickness 89 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 (edited) It could be used with nonlethals as a warning shot or proof of escalation of force. If you are breaching a door, it kind of went past that escalation of force threshold though and there is no way I'm entering the "Fatal Funnel" armed with nonlethals. I disagree. That is why you have the carbine. Having non-lethals instantly available as well gives police better options.. unless you are just operating as some sort of thug, or are the police force of a dictator or some such. Then you don't really care. But this is not the best solution for easily switching between LTL and live ammo. I'm a fan of the dual-tube shotgun idea for this, though I don't believe any of the current designs really work for this application in particular. You'd need something specifically designed with some additional safety mechanisms to help alleviate the potential of the gun being on the wrong setting. Edited April 9, 2011 by sickness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 How about this? The video at the bottom of your post makes me want to trade my girlfriend for one of your shotguns I think I got a spare around here someplace, whats she look like? Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caspian 32 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 Looks like their mount is just an ARMS type cammed mount screwed into a quad rail.. I seriously doubt it would handle repeated firing.. correct, and Murphys Law says it will fail at the worst possible moment. Put 300 rounds through it without adjusting or tightening anything and MAYBE i would trust it in an entry situation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StudentDeSaiga 2 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 While I'll never argue against using a Saiga...and I thought the overall "Masterkey" was cool...I think a more practical breacher would have been making something similiar to the "kill stick" but refined and in 12 or maybe 20 gauge, mounted under an M4. The overall package would be smaller, lighter, and easier to maneuver. Still I thought the "Masterkey" was awesome... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 (edited) The Saiga master key is awesome. There is no real reason a "Master Key" should have to be light and the concept almost guarantees it's going to be a bit cumbersome. If it is determined that a master key is needed for a particular situation a Saiga version would serve you better than any pump shotty (more lead down range fast). Besides, no one is going to be marching miles with it anyway. Edited April 9, 2011 by Bridis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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