White Rider 1 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 So I tore my saiga down from stock and converted it and installed the new magwell on it recently, my plan was to paint the gun so I put it all back together to make sure I didnt need to make and modifications before painting. So while its together I wanted to test out the new magwell and autoplug. I have only modified one SGM mad to fit the magwell, so I would just reload the one mag and use that, ran through 4 full mags just fine and about halfway through the 5th mag my mag dropped. I thought that to be weird but I just tried to lock it back in and it wouldnt stay. So I looked at it and the rib that the mag release/mag lock grabs was broken off. Report: Well shit Now im not sure what to do, I really like the magwell but if its going to keep breaking all my mags then its not really worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoshAston 39 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Try filing a notch under that rib. It should give the catch more to grab and be less likely to break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Try filing a notch under that rib. It should give the catch more to grab and be less likely to break. Well stated. I lost part of my rib, but not as bad. An angular notch worked fine. Make it look like the impression the release might make in the mag if it could make one. Edited February 1, 2012 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Maybe the thing to do is take the plastic shavings from the lugs you ground off and use a soldering iron or hot knife to weld material on there. What I am picturing is a ramp shaped build up reinforcing that thin little rib that this uses as a catch. I have one of my mags that a rib got sheared off for no discrenable reason too. I think the JTE magwells may be more reliable than these because as it stands they lock up with more material. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dgyver 13 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I had mags setup for the JTE magwell which require the side ribs to be ground off some. To make the work, I undercut the rib and built up the ribs with Z-Poxy epoxy mixed with carbon fiber. Profiled the epoxy lug to resemble the factory lug. They work great. The angle helps with easier locking in. Ran a 3-gun a couple weeks ago and all worked flawlessly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
White Rider 1 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I think thats exactly what im going to end up doing dgyver, and to all magazines from now on. Damn saigas....gotta touch everything to make it work right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'd like to see pictures of a R&R modded mag design. From an outsider looking in, my impression is that the magwell is designed to catch that thin rib for retension which seems like disaster waiting to happen. Every other mag with that style retension system I know of, even on metal mags has minor mag intrusion to hold. (AR, some pistols, HK's, etc). just look at the size of a normal S12/ AK catch area. What does the catch look like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoshAston 39 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 The R&R mags have an actual mag catch slot cut into them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Wow I thought it was just my mag that had a problem. I took the SBS to the 3 gun match yesterday and broke the tab off about 150 rounds into shooting. My fix was to take a 1/4 inch bit and cut a slot into the mag just under the rib that broke, I actually prefer this method and will do it on all my mags it makes the lock up even tighter. I removed the follower and spring to make the cut. Edited January 30, 2012 by NinerRider Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 That looks pretty good. I'd say that'd be the preferred way to go as long as the mag catch doesn't go in too far... which was my concern or I'd have done it that way. But! As long as you're having success with it I might try it myself (if I keep my shotgun). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RRice 34 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 They designed their magwell to retain the mag on those plastic ribs??WTF.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I my line of work I have to repair broken plastic stuff. We use some of the plastic cut into small pieces, mix with acetone. Dont mix fast (makes it set to fast)and use more acetone than you think. As the acetone dries it will set. Dont know if it will work on the mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 We modified all of our mags with a notch.at the lip for additional strength. I find it locks up even more solid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 we use a small disc and make a extra finger nail right on the bottom shoulder of the tab for extra security. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Close-up pictures of properly modified magazines should be included in the instructions. Particularly since you made the claim that yours is more reliable than the competition. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 That looks pretty good. I'd say that'd be the preferred way to go as long as the mag catch doesn't go in too far... which was my concern or I'd have done it that way. But! As long as you're having success with it I might try it myself (if I keep my shotgun). I am actually modifying the catch to go even deeper into the mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 To all who have purchase the magwell that has a broken rib. Tac 47 would like to exchange your magazine with a brand new surfire Mag moddified for the Magwell. It will have the small notch and will lock up very tight and not break. Send us your old Mag with the broken rib and your name under your magwell order and get a Mag ready to rock and roll. its a very easy modification but we want all of you to be happy and we should have put out the info for more modification of the rib. We have a not had the failure but we also modified ours preemptively. Please send Old Mag to Tac 47 Industries ATTN: mag swap 5407 Louetta Road STE H Spring, TX 77379 We will pay to ship your new Mag Free Of Charge. Close-up pictures of properly modified magazines should be included in the instructions. Particularly since you made the claim that yours is more reliable than the competition. Our magwell is one of if not the most reliable magwell we have ever used we stand behind the product 100% as you can see in above post. We will also include picture on proper modification to magazine. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 That seems fair and a good way to take care of your customers, but to be fair I have found your competitor to be reliable too and have never broken a magazine. I love my autoplug. Any chance you will make a stepped 2 stage poppet so I can use it with 3" soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Damn! Now thats what I call customer service!! You have just secured me as a customer. A Tac47 magwell just moved to the top of my "buy soon" list. LB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Risky has it right here. Very close to what I did after my first initial test firing session in which a little piece of the rib came off of one of my mags. After filing the notch, I raised hell with it Saturday and had no further issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Damn! Now thats what I call customer service!! You have just secured me as a customer. A Tac47 magwell just moved to the top of my "buy soon" list. LB I love mine. Excellent product. I'm getting used to it a lot faster than I thought I would. It even makes me seem fast Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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