alternety 7 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I will want to make the gun as pleasant to shoot as I can. Partly for my wife, but I have old shoulders as well. I am thinking two main components; shock absorbing stock and a working muzzle brake. I don't really know what is on the weapon as delivered, but some of the pictures showed very little at the end of the barrel and understand from reading that the Vepr will take the same barrel attachments as the Saiga 12. If anyone has some recommendations for an effective brake that would be helpful. Same with a shock absorbing stock. It does not have to be folding, but that would be OK if it had the best performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I don't have any personal experience with them but many sweat by the Molot GK-01 muzzle brake. They sound like they make shooting slugs feel like shooting a birdshot load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I have read posts about those and they do seem to be pretty good. Pretty expensive as I recall. But sometimes you have to pay what it takes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Read some more post in Saiga-12 something like these Reduced recoil theory aluminum muzzle brakes recoil reducer? What muzzle brake is this?? (PIC) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Thanks. I ordered a GK-01. The recoil absorbing stock requires a bit more time. First I have to be sure what fits the Vepr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oOghostriderOo 14 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Thanks. I ordered a GK-01. The recoil absorbing stock requires a bit more time. First I have to be sure what fits the Vepr. Who has GK-01 in stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 No idea if it is in stock. The vendor accepted the order - that should indicate availability as there were no indications of back order. Actually not even positive if my order worked. Web site is pretty basic and results of the order process were indeterminate. They do not list what credit cards are accepted. Paypal is good to isolate transactions, but if anything goes wrong they tend to suck. So I really have no idea about anything. I did however use a single-use credit card so I have a recovery path and in theory the card information is not usable if it propagates. When I have more useful information I will add it to the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oOghostriderOo 14 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 can you share website address? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
varickm 10 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Firespeed tactical has them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 That is where I ordered, but did not want to name them until I had gotten a response from them about the transaction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Start with the most obvious and get a good recoil pad or pogo stock. I personally prefer a solid mount up, so a 1" kick eez pad will be the first step on just about any gun. LimbSavr is about the same level of absorbtion but feels squishier and is more prone to hanging up on your clothes. Either one is a fine choice. Other stuff like brakes are good too, but for 3 dram birdshot loads, I find it hard to choose between using a brake and the winchoke adapter Cobra762 sells. CSS has a GK01 clone or possibly licenced copy on pre-order. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-1577/MOLOT-GK-dsh-01-VEPR-SAIGA/Detail It looks like the only real difference other than USA manufacture is that it appears to lack of a steel insert. I actually think that is better. I am not aware of any one who was not a promoter/developer doing a direct comparison between the offerings of Tromix JTE, Gk01 or any of the more complex mid barrel rigs such as those sold by R&R, the firebird comp or Wakal Dreadnought. It's clear that all of them work. I have seen nothing which could definitively show one of those to be "the best". GK01 is kind of the new big one on the scene and is getting a lot of attention lately because it has only recently become available in USA. The other ones got similar attention when they came out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Once my Vepr 12 gets here I'll have something I can test fit parts to. Then I'll be able to help more with this stuff. Do regular AK stocks fit the thicker receiver of the Vepr 12? Barrel threads the same M22x75? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Once my Vepr 12 gets here I'll have something I can test fit parts to. Then I'll be able to help more with this stuff. Do regular AK stocks fit the thicker receiver of the Vepr 12? Barrel threads the same M22x75? IMHO RPK stok will fit, Barrell is the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I have an original S-12 C Izhmash poly folder I may want to use. Would this require modifications to my folding stock trunnion? I noticed you (PapaZorro) have a custom looking folding hinge on yours. Also are there any issues with installing a forward latch in the Vepr receiver? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 The folding mechanism of Verpr-12 differ from Saiga-12 and based on factory RPK-74 mechanism IMHO so it will be very difficult to use straight Saiga mehanizm on Vepr without changing of Vepr receiver. Some pics of Molot AR adapter an mechanism. Some pics of RPK folding set . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 That is the, hands down, best folding mechanism I have ever laid eyes on. Please tell me it will be possible to get my hands on one and have it fitted to my Vepr-12? Why, oh, Why didn't they import these ones - the ones with this awesome folding mech already installed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Thanks for the great photos as always Papa! Damn I want one too. This would be awesome with my Russian laminate set. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Papa. Send me one in the mail. Pretty Please. I will make it worth your time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Does anyone know if one of the standard kick-EEZ pad templates fit the stock being shipped by Atlantic? I really don't want to try freehand grinding. Actually, after reading through the Kick-EEZ info on their web site, I would like to modify that to the dual action version. I am a real fan of Sorbothane. It is in my shoes/boots, isolated my water pump from the floor, and keeps the washer in my laundry room from walking out into the hall. It is one of those magic materials that have appeared. A long time ago they ran commercials for pads used in gymnastics where they dropped raw eggs on it. Needless to say, eggs did not break. It is a unique material. The Kick-EEZ people also have a graph comparing their products to others in a similar market niche. I will assume they are not bogus. They show pretty much what I have said. The material is magic. But, since I have no template of the Atlantic Firearms butt (please, don't go there) I have no way of picking a size. Edited October 11, 2012 by alternety Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 That is the, hands down, best folding mechanism I have ever laid eyes on. Please tell me it will be possible to get my hands on one and have it fitted to my Vepr-12? Why, oh, Why didn't they import these ones - the ones with this awesome folding mech already installed. Because they are not 922r compliant. Unless I miss my guess - those numbers pointing to different things indicate a patent application was made for this design. Good move for Molot, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Guys from Izhevs STK company make buttstock for AK/Saiga that absorbs some recoil (similar idea that used for AR stock). Here are som pics of it. . Edited October 30, 2012 by PapaZorro 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Does anyone know if one of the standard kick-EEZ pad templates fit the stock being shipped by Atlantic? I really don't want to try freehand grinding. Actually, after reading through the Kick-EEZ info on their web site, I would like to modify that to the dual action version. I am a real fan of Sorbothane. It is in my shoes/boots, isolated my water pump from the floor, and keeps the washer in my laundry room from walking out into the hall. It is one of those magic materials that have appeared. A long time ago they ran commercials for pads used in gymnastics where they dropped raw eggs on it. Needless to say, eggs did not break. It is a unique material. The Kick-EEZ people also have a graph comparing their products to others in a similar market niche. I will assume they are not bogus. They show pretty much what I have said. The material is magic. But, since I have no template of the Atlantic Firearms butt (please, don't go there) I have no way of picking a size. Kick-eez's website gives a .pdf sizing template with the dimensions of all their models. Last time I checked, every model made by kickeez was bigger than a a standard wood AK stock, so they could all be made to fit. The laminate stocks shipped with vepr 12 look to be a bit different in shape from a standard AK stock. Since kick-eez sizing info is easily obtainable, what you need to know is how wide and how tall is the butplate on the VEPR laminate stocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 That is the, hands down, best folding mechanism I have ever laid eyes on. Please tell me it will be possible to get my hands on one and have it fitted to my Vepr-12? Why, oh, Why didn't they import these ones - the ones with this awesome folding mech already installed. Because they are not 922r compliant. Unless I miss my guess - those numbers pointing to different things indicate a patent application was made for this design. Good move for Molot, IMO. Benelli simply coated a foreign built firearm receiver with their N20 coating here in the states and now it is substantially enough 'MADE IN THE USA' to be 922r. Following the lead... not sure why other parts couldn't be re-manufactured state side as well. What defines 'manufactured'? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koljec 37 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Benelli simply coated a foreign built firearm receiver with their N20 coating here in the states and now it is substantially enough 'MADE IN THE USA' to be 922r. Following the lead... not sure why other parts couldn't be re-manufactured state side as well. What defines 'manufactured'? Shh. You might start giving people the idea that 922r is a load of unenforceable horseshit designed to protect domestic firearms manufacturers. Why a guy who spouts liberty and flies the Gadsden flag would follow such nonsense is boggling (unless that guy is full of horseshit, too). I'm going to get back to re-manufacturing furniture. I've also been watching too much Boardwalk Empire~ Edited October 29, 2012 by Koljec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Benelli simply coated a foreign built firearm receiver with their N20 coating here in the states and now it is substantially enough 'MADE IN THE USA' to be 922r. Following the lead... not sure why other parts couldn't be re-manufactured state side as well. What defines 'manufactured'? Shh. You might start giving people the idea that 922r is a load of unenforceable horseshit designed to protect domestic firearms manufacturers. Why a guy who spouts liberty and flies the Gadsden flag would follow such nonsense is boggling (unless that guy is full of horseshit, too). I'm going to get back to re-manufacturing furniture. I've also been watching too much Boardwalk Empire~ I don't necessarily disagree, but in this case it's preventing us from even getting the parts we want so it is having an effect on 'Us' regardless. I'd love to see an enterprising importer for VEPRs do this with the folding stocks. Get the parts, and re-manufacture here in the states. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Has any one tried one of these??? Recoil-reducing M4/AR-15 Stock - GL-Shock Thought this might be a good combo with the M4 STYLE COLLAPSIBLE STOCK ADAPTER http://store.carolin...ga-Stock/Detail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 The 'buffer tube' piece on that recoil reducing stock you pictured looks proprietary. It does not appear that stock would fit a standard size buffer tube. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 The 'buffer tube' piece on that recoil reducing stock you pictured looks proprietary. It does not appear that stock would fit a standard size buffer tube. I thought the same until I read the following; "The GL-Shock’s unique patented design allows it to be mounted on any standard MIL-SPEC or commercial carbine receiver extension (buffer tube). It is a drop-in replacement for the standard M4-style stock. The GL-Shock auto-adjusts to fit both commercial and MIL-SPEC buffer tubes with a tight, rattle-free fit. Unlike other recoil management systems for AR-15 carbines, the GL-Shock does not use expensive non-standard buffers or buffer springs which often affect the function of the weapon. With the GL-Shock, all factory buffer parts are retained, since recoil-reduction takes place in the stock itself" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 The GL stocks are nice. I have one on my Saiga .223 and really like it. I have the GL R-16 S http://www.shooterta...om/G-Shock.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 If the statement about simply coating a weapon with a new bonded coating makes it a US manufactured item, if a licensed armory/manufacturer were to have a Vepr coated with something interesting (that can't be done in the kitchen oven I suspect) it would sure make 922 compliance rather close to null changes. Perhaps someone with suitable knowledge could research this. There are a number of coatings that can be applied by specialty contractors that are way superior to paint. At least one of the processes I seem to remember can be done in a shop with relatively little investment. At least until our ever supportive government decides not to allow that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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