tobafa 19 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 After 3 shots using Winchester 00 buck, the magazine dropped. I examined it and found the front lip simply broke off where the groove is. Am brand stinking new to Saigas but I can only imagine this is not normal (or is it?). Prior to firing, I cycled shells through to make sure all was functioning normally and there were no hangups or anything to indicate there was any catching. Any info will be appreciated. This is mine: http://legionusainc....a-saiga-12.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
msrdiver 42 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Not at all normal. If this was a new AGP magazine then either call the seller or email AGP directly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) How many rounds were loaded into the mag before you started firing? Edited November 21, 2012 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobafa 19 Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 10 Round Mag, so 10. Email sent to APG; just asking around to see if there's more to it than a defect mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'll put $20.00 on it being a simple defect. It happens, it sucks, thankfully from what I've seen it is rare. AGP should take care of you. There were similar problems reported with some Surefire 12rd mags experiencing such breakages. 12rds is a lot of weight, magnum rounds and in particular, cold weather, exacerbated this problem. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobafa 19 Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Just received an email from Kevin at APG (very quick response). Sending new body to replace this one. Good to know this doesn't happen very often. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Just received an email from Kevin at APG (very quick response). Sending new body to replace this one. Good to know this doesn't happen very often. And good to know that some manufacturers are 100% behind their products and offer excellent Customer Service. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ravan 17 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) my question is this, shooting 3" 00 buck shot? Where you using the magazine as a foward grip? as in holding on to the magazine while shooting those rounds? I'm asking because I could see that happing from how people tend to shoot looking for forarm support. I catch myself doing it now and again with my AR pistol. it sucks that it happend, this is why i will wish for steel magazines. Edited November 21, 2012 by Ravan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobafa 19 Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 No on the magazine/forward grip. I've shot 3" and 2 3/4" 00 Tactical 9 in my pump in the past and just bought what I usually shoot. Is 2 3/4" better for these or does it really matter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 AGP is a stand up company I bet they will make it right for you. I just ordered 4 more mags 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 AGP is a stand up company I bet they will make it right for you. I just ordered 4 more mags Just four posts up, the OP says AGP has already responded to email and are shipping a replacement mag body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 my question is this, shooting 3" 00 buck shot? Where you using the magazine as a forward grip? As in holding on to the magazine while shooting those rounds? I'm asking because I could see that happening from how people tend to shoot looking for forearm support. I catch myself doing it now and again with my AR pistol. It sucks that it happened, this is why I will wish for steel magazines. Yep, 3" magnums & slugs can both put a lot of stress and weight onto mags, as does using the mag as a foregrip... Good questions. And I think damned near everyone here, except for the polymer mag manufacturers, would love to see quality steel mags too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can you save the pieces? Would make a good test bed for some sort of super duper glue or bonding agent that might permanently repair the mag. My AGP mags work just fine. I have only fifteen (15) brand new 10 rounds spares. Should I get more? The whole world wonders. HB of CJ (old coot) (with too much time on his hands) Now I'm going to have to inspect all of my slightly used AGP box mags in the area formentioned in this topic. Oh boy...more fun. I enjoy this kind of stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'll put $20.00 on it being a simple defect. It happens, it sucks, thankfully from what I've seen it is rare. AGP should take care of you. There were similar problems reported with some Surefire 12rd mags experiencing such breakages. 12rds is a lot of weight, magnum rounds and in particular, cold weather, exacerbated this problem. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Excluding OEM 8s I like the AGPs the best. I have nearly 20 of them and they all work great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) If you really want a wild ride, try some Remington Express 3" 00 Buck.... whoa mule! whoa! Works great on factory gas regulator setting 2 for breaking carriers. Edited November 21, 2012 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Remember when everyone use to go on and on about the benefits of steel reinforcement? It looks like there have been a few cold weather failures on both brands. Although, It has been years since I've seen any this bad on here. For the people who want steel, they are on the way by a company that delivers on its magazine promises. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Gunfun do yuou know something I don't? It makes sense that if a company is making steel mags for the MKA 1919 that they should make a version for the S-12 as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Remember when everyone use to go on and on about the benefits of steel reinforcement? It looks like there have been a few cold weather failures on both brands. Although, It has been years since I've seen any this bad on here. For the people who want steel, they are on the way by a company that delivers on its magazine promises. If you know this to be a fact then clue us all in. Until then it's merely a rumor to me.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Look in the CSSpecs subforum. He is having the setup for production put together and is focusing on 8&10 rounders. Hardly a secret, and significantly more reliable than a rumour. He's no novice, and he doesn't say he is making something until he starts to make it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobafa 19 Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 To follow up, the magazine case came in today. AGP is a company who stands behind their products. Just FYI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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