Family Services threatens to take children because dad bought son a 22

[XD45 7,124]

http://www.inquisitr.com/579586/facebook-photo-of-boy-with-gun-prompts-dyfs-investigation/

 

 

Proud New Jersey dad Shawn Moore posted a photo of his son holding a .22 rifle on Facebook. The young man had passed a state firearms safety test and became certified to go hunting. Someone who saw the photo of the boy with the gun on the online social network became alarmed and called the Department of Youth and Family Services (DYFS) to investigate.

 

The anonymous call to DFYS resulted in two social services workers coming into the Moore home escorted by four police officers. Shawn Moore’s attorney Evan Nappen noted that the search of the home was conducted without a warrant.

 

The New Jersey DYFS workers reportedly demanded to see all the firearms in the home. According to Shawn Moore’s statements, the DYFS workers refused to tell him their names although he asked multiple times.

 

Evan Nappen was called by Moore’s wife when the DYFS workers arrived and listened to the conversation over the phone. Shawn Moore was not at home when the New Jersey police officers and social services staffers came to the home, but he arrived a short time later.

 

Moore was allegedly initially denied access to his home, and the safe where he stored his guns. The DYFS workers supposedly threatened to take Moore’s children during the exchange between the two parties inside the home.

 

A female New Jersey DYFS worker allegedly demanded to gain access to the gun safe to check and catalog to make sure the firearms were registered properly. State law does not reportedly require registration of such weapons; the process is totally voluntarily.

 

Shawn Moore also stated that the police officers involved in the investigation behaved in a professional manner during the entire ordeal. Moore is a holder of three different types of firearms certifications. The New Jersey man is a certified NRA instructor, a certified NRA range safety instructor, and a New Jersey state certified firearms hunting instructor.

 

In a post Moore penned on the Delaware Open Carry Forum, he noted that he would not budge in his refusal to open his safe without seeing a warrant. The New Jersey gun owner maintains that he was called “unreasonable” and told her was acting suspicious by not allowing the social services workers to take a look at his guns.

 

 

I have no words...

Edited March 20, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[devildogdakota 804]

I sure hope he sues them into obliviation, and those idiots get heavily fined, and lose their jobs!

[XD45 7,124]

When I was a kid the local newspaper printed a picture of me holding a deer rifle sitting on the tailgate of my grandfather's pickup beside my first whitetail buck.

 

I got a letter from my (democrat) congressman congratulating me.

 

How did things change so much in such a short time?

[DLT 1,646]

And the liberals wonder why their idiotic gun grabbing plans were DOA yesterday? Its because of blatant disregard for the rights of the people. They need to be reminded that its a government by and for the people, not a government over the people.

[XD45 7,124]

And the liberals wonder why their idiotic gun grabbing plans were DOA yesterday? Its because of blatant disregard for the rights of the people. They need to be reminded that its a government by and for the people, not a government over the people.

This reminds me of the words of the greatest man to occupy the white house in the last 100 years.

 

"We are a nation that has a government, not the other way around."

[yakdung 2,926]

Pretty amazing. He took all of the correct steps by having his lawyer on speed dial. The sad part is, the Leftist that reported him think this is some sort of game and cannot be touched for calling in a false report.

[thebuns1 4,323]

What a crock of shit. People need to mind their own fucking business. It wouldnt surprise me if someone was acting out from reading one of these:

 

http://shadesofthomaspaine.blogexec.com/index.php/entry/complete-post-of-fbi-terrorist-watchlist-pamphlets

[menace667 194]

Assuming the NJ cops who were there were with the rest of the nation with technology all he has to do is request copies of the audio recordings. He will then have the ass of anyone involved with any questionable activities including the officers 18USC242 and 42USC1981/1983 protect him in these instances.

 

Children services in no state that i know of have any actual authority to demand the ability to search a residence. The cops should have intervened there and told them to obtain a warrant. Also, making any threat to obtain a search is not legal.

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

I sure hope he sues them into obliviation, and those idiots get heavily fined, and lose their jobs!

 

snowball chance in hell that will ever happen

[gunman1 1,753]

Assuming the NJ cops who were there were with the rest of the nation with technology all he has to do is request copies of the audio recordings. He will then have the ass of anyone involved with any questionable activities including the officers 18USC242 and 42USC1981/1983 protect him in these instances.

 

Children services in no state that i know of have any actual authority to demand the ability to search a residence. The cops should have intervened there and told them to obtain a warrant. Also, making any threat to obtain a search is not legal.

 

It's the chicago way.......These Gov. entities are now all brown shirts, and the fukers turning their neighbors in are to be considdered "Collaborators". These fukers need to be outed when they are discovered, put them up on social media so everyone knows who the beighborhood rats are, let's see how they like it

But on second thought......us fighting each other would just be icing on the fuken cake for the commies running washington.

Edited March 20, 2013 by AA re-cvrd

[jerry52 893]

Down here we have Child and Family it is just the opposite. The ones needing protection never get it.

Someone approved that encounter. That's the real problem.

[sccritterkiller 473]

People think I'm crazy because I don't have a FB account..The government doesn't need sofisticated monitoring programs to tell what your doing....just a FB account. It constantly amazes me the personal info people willing post.

 

This DYFS rep needs fired for violation of the 4th amendment.Although in that commie state they will get some distinguished award and a promotion. SMH

[XD45 7,124]

I think every gun owner in NJ should post a pic of their responsible child holding a firearm.

 

Why? Because Fuck You.

[Remek 771]

DYFS has been out of control for many years. It needs to be dismantled.

[HOWARD COSELL 155]

Welcome to the USSA!

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

It constantly amazes me the personal info people willing post. This DYFS rep needs fired for violation of the 4th amendment.

 

 

reality time:

 

tell me, what violation of the 4th admnt? the daddy was the one that posted the picture, he willing put that on a public forum so there is no expectation of privacy, so there is no 4th admnt violation from the DYFS or anyone else. when he told them no and to go away unless they get a search warrant when asked to search his safe , they did, so again where is the violation of the 4th admnt?

 

you're right about one thing, the same people who put up their personal info on a public forum, then it comes back to bite them in the butt, will usually cry about "invasion of privacy" etc...

[Conscript 99]

It constantly amazes me the personal info people willing post. This DYFS rep needs fired for violation of the 4th amendment.

 

 

reality time:

 

tell me, what violation of the 4th admnt? the daddy was the one that posted the picture, he willing put that on a public forum so there is no expectation of privacy, so there is no 4th admnt violation from the DYFS or anyone else. when he told them no and to go away unless they get a search warrant when asked to search his safe , they did, so again where is the violation of the 4th admnt?

 

you're right about one thing, the same people who put up their personal info on a public forum, then it comes back to bite them in the butt, will usually cry about "invasion of privacy" etc...

 

I think since it is illegal for a government employee, the CPS agent in this case, to refuse to identify themselves when they set foot on private property it could be a sticking point "related" to the 4th, but no doubt trespassing.

 

It is actually a crime in that state (as well as mine) to not immediately identify yourself, ESPECIALLY when asked, being a public servant.

[yakdung 2,926]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake). The photo posted online is completely irrelevant, and does and give a reason to show probable cause. Unless something has changed, it is still illegal. The local jurisdiction needs to have their asses sued off to make a point and force a policy change. Some ignorant public servant approved this raid, and my guess this happens all of the time. Somehow I believe the residents of New Jersey have accepted this as normal behavior. The mistake the homeowner made in my view was he allowed these thugs to enter his home. Step out of your house and lock your door behind you, and only re-enter when a warrant is produced. Also do not say a thing and keep your mouth shut.

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/watch-judge-napolitano-weighs-in-on-nj-dad-taking-picture-of-10-year-old-son-holding-rifle/

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/police-and-family-services-raid-nj-mans-home-over-photo-of-son-with-rifle/

 

 

[jerry52 893]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake). The photo posted online is completely irrelevant, and does and give a reason to show probable cause. Unless something has changed, it is still illegal. The local jurisdiction needs to have their asses sued off to make a point and force a policy change. Some ignorant public servant approved this raid, and my guess this happens all of the time. Somehow I believe the residents of New Jersey have accepted this as normal behavior. The mistake the homeowner made in my view was he allowed these thugs to enter his home. Step out of your house and lock your door behind you, and only re-enter when a warrant is produced. Also do not say a thing and keep your mouth shut.

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/watch-judge-napolitano-weighs-in-on-nj-dad-taking-picture-of-10-year-old-son-holding-rifle/

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/police-and-family-services-raid-nj-mans-home-over-photo-of-son-with-rifle/

You Sir are a beacon of wisdom.

Never let a Gov. official LEO or anyone else into you house with out a warrant. Go outside , shut the door and say as little as possile. Tell your wife to do the same (she is the one who let them in) women are very polite and do not want to offend and cops know it.

Edited March 20, 2013 by jerry52

[Conscript 99]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake).

 

It was his wife who let them in apparently. Time to have a talk with our wives I think.

 

"The elder Moore was at a friend's house when his wife called, saying state child welfare investigators, along with four local police officers, were at the house, asking to inspect the family's guns."

[yakdung 2,926]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake).

 

It was his wife who let them in apparently. Time to have a talk with our wives I think.

 

"The elder Moore was at a friend's house when his wife called, saying state child welfare investigators, along with four local police officers, were at the house, asking to inspect the family's guns."

Missed it. Still not good.

Thanks,

[XD45 7,124]

Indeed. Time to remind the missus that nobody comes in the house without a warrant. After all, if they have nothing to hide, they should be willing to get a warrant.

[sccritterkiller 473]

It constantly amazes me the personal info people willing post. This DYFS rep needs fired for violation of the 4th amendment.

 

 

reality time:

 

tell me, what violation of the 4th admnt? the daddy was the one that posted the picture, he willing put that on a public forum so there is no expectation of privacy, so there is no 4th admnt violation from the DYFS or anyone else. when he told them no and to go away unless they get a search warrant when asked to search his safe , they did, so again where is the violation of the 4th admnt?

 

you're right about one thing, the same people who put up their personal info on a public forum, then it comes back to bite them in the butt, will usually cry about "invasion of privacy" etc...

 

It seems to me that if the state allowed the boy to take a firearms safety coarse and certified him hunt they shouldn't have been there in the first place...I see your point and I agree they should have never been let in without a warrant.

[macbeau 902]

We're on the edge of something very frightning.

The government is testing the waters to see what they can get away with without legislation, just beauracacy.

 

The only wars that have been fought on US soil have been over "property / taxes".

I fear the next will not be over guns, property or taxes, but our children. (and their education / environment)

 

There is a huge storm brewing out there.

I wait to see what sets off the "powder keg".

 

Macbeau sends....

[yakdung 2,926]

It is my understanding the homeowner had to verbally wrestle with these idiots for over an hour in their own home! Call 911 and tell the operator there are uninvited guests in your home and they won't leave. Also have the local TV folks on speed dial and tell them what is going on and believe me they will scatter like roaches. The system is based on ignorance to snare the uninformed and passive.

[gunman1 1,753]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake). The photo posted online is completely irrelevant, and does and give a reason to show probable cause. Unless something has changed, it is still illegal. The local jurisdiction needs to have their asses sued off to make a point and force a policy change. Some ignorant public servant approved this raid, and my guess this happens all of the time. Somehow I believe the residents of New Jersey have accepted this as normal behavior. The mistake the homeowner made in my view was he allowed these thugs to enter his home. Step out of your house and lock your door behind you, and only re-enter when a warrant is produced. Also do not say a thing and keep your mouth shut.

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/watch-judge-napolitano-weighs-in-on-nj-dad-taking-picture-of-10-year-old-son-holding-rifle/

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/police-and-family-services-raid-nj-mans-home-over-photo-of-son-with-rifle/

You Sir are a beacon of wisdom.

Never let a Gov. official LEO or anyone else into you house with out a warrant. Go outside , shut the door and say as little as possile. Tell your wife to do the same (she is the one who let them in) women are very polite and do not want to offend and cops know it.

 

Mine won't open the door, they would have to break it in. She would draw the drapes closed in her little space and let them beat on the door till their hand falls off, I disconceted the bell years ago, fukem. But her and I did just have this conversation again as a reminder.

[yakdung 2,926]

The authorities entered the residence without a warrant (let in by homeowner - big mistake). The photo posted online is completely irrelevant, and does and give a reason to show probable cause. Unless something has changed, it is still illegal. The local jurisdiction needs to have their asses sued off to make a point and force a policy change. Some ignorant public servant approved this raid, and my guess this happens all of the time. Somehow I believe the residents of New Jersey have accepted this as normal behavior. The mistake the homeowner made in my view was he allowed these thugs to enter his home. Step out of your house and lock your door behind you, and only re-enter when a warrant is produced. Also do not say a thing and keep your mouth shut.

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/watch-judge-napolitano-weighs-in-on-nj-dad-taking-picture-of-10-year-old-son-holding-rifle/

 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/20/police-and-family-services-raid-nj-mans-home-over-photo-of-son-with-rifle/

You Sir are a beacon of wisdom.

Never let a Gov. official LEO or anyone else into you house with out a warrant. Go outside , shut the door and say as little as possile. Tell your wife to do the same (she is the one who let them in) women are very polite and do not want to offend and cops know it.

 

Mine won't open the door, they would have to break it in. She would draw the drapes closed in her little space and let them beat on the door till their hand falls off, I disconceted the bell years ago, fukem. But her and I did just have this conversation again as a reminder.

Smart. If someone is banging on my door and is persistent, call 911 to create a hard record. Also be careful what comes out of your mouth as it is being recorded and will be played to the media or a jury later. If you grow tired of answering questions from the 911 operator, simply place the phone down but do not hang up.

Be safe,

[mostholycerebus 415]

Up here DCFS is out of control as well. They had a new guy take over a few years back, and he immediately noticed that a certain (non-white) race seemed to represent 90% of their cases. His conclusion was that, even though that race comprised the vast majority of his employees, for some reason they seemed to target their own race disproportionately. He issued an internal order that cases against whites were DCFS's new top priority until the numbers were closer to the population average.

 

They are not a legal agency, their abilities and requirements are completely different. They can usually TAKE YOUR CHILD if they even SUSPECT, in their own mind, that the child isnt 'safe' by their own definition. Their requirements are usually lower than the law, with lower standards for what is evidence and lower burden of proof required to take the kids.

 

The whole system is the most sick perversion of our bureacracy imaginable, run by people so twisted that they cant even believe any parent not a state-paid nanny HAS to be bad. Sick, sick people.

[menace667 194]

Here is GA only a cop can take the kid. As a cop it placed a heavy burden on us, but was safer for the child since we should know what the laws say. We also had to be in court as soon as humanly possible to explain our actions and god help you if you were wrong. It was nothing to have me, my corporal, and serveant all involved in the decisoon making process.

 

As to this story, here is the results per foxnews.com aparently body armor was worn and they went in deep. The family and children services members were admittedly forceful and have been under the courts view for sometime a out mishandling cases. Used the excuse of recent school shootings as reason for the response. All what can be expected from the northern states.

 

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=2035860.proteus.fma#quickPage_html_page_22995_content_91048555_pageNum_1

[gunman1 1,753]

Up here DCFS is out of control as well. They had a new guy take over a few years back, and he immediately noticed that a certain (non-white) race seemed to represent 90% of their cases. His conclusion was that, even though that race comprised the vast majority of his employees, for some reason they seemed to target their own race disproportionately. He issued an internal order that cases against whites were DCFS's new top priority until the numbers were closer to the population average.

 

They are not a legal agency, their abilities and requirements are completely different. They can usually TAKE YOUR CHILD if they even SUSPECT, in their own mind, that the child isnt 'safe' by their own definition. Their requirements are usually lower than the law, with lower standards for what is evidence and lower burden of proof required to take the kids.

 

The whole system is the most sick perversion of our bureacracy imaginable, run by people so twisted that they cant even believe any parent not a state-paid nanny HAS to be bad. Sick, sick people.

Yeah....they're just as bad here, most corrupt bunch of assbags there is, it's really beyond a normal persons comprehension.