Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I've got an ar15. Delton midlength lightweight barrel chrome lined, upper has m4 feed ramps. It was a "custom" upper I had to wait for them to build it. It wasn't an off the shelf item. I've got an emod vltor stock,vltor buffer tube, magpul grip with three round grip core, also a magpul trigger guard, I want to try to trade it for both a saiga 223 and 762, both in stock form. I converted my s308 and I'm dying to do more custom builds. My question is am I asking too much for this trade? My thoughts are I've got nearly 1200 in the ar and the saigas are like 500 right now. When I paid 1200 for the ar they were 350. I'm thinking about becoming a contributor and posting in the classifieds but want to see what you guys think about my offer before I post it up. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 With how difficult it has been for people to get guns at stores, and the fear factor regarding import restrictions being possible I would say ask one or the other but not both. Two guns will be a bit rich for most peoples blood Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Ok sounds fair. But there's no way I'd trade it fit one. I mean that's a rifle at one third the value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Conscript 99 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I don't think a legit gun owner would go for that deal. Someone with both of those probably either has an AR or is obviously very pleased with the saiga platform already since they own both. I don't really see it happening IMO, sorry buddy. You can always try though, and I think you should definately consider being a contributor anyway! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Exactly. You would be better off just keeping what you have and saving up some cash to buy one after all the scare is over. Then you can have a few great rifles instead of trading around. Plus, think of the ammo interchangeability with the S223 and the AR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Its not my only ar. But yea makes sense. Its hard to lay down all the cash needed at once and my local gun stores quite doing lay a way on semi autos. Im guessing the panic buying will subside soon and maybe then I'll get a deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Ak Monty: What your asking is defined as "fishing" for a price which you need to become a contributor to do. Shortly the mods will lock this thread. I advise paying the $5 to keep this thread alive... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Ok. I planned to do that. I'm not trying to break rules. Just "fishing" I guess. Sorry. So it's against the rules to ask what your guns are worth? Or it against the rules to try in set up a deal with out paying? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 So it's against the rules to ask what your guns are worth? Or it against the rules to try in set up a deal with out paying? I believe both if you are a non paying member. I am not trying to be the thread police. Just keeping you in the loop... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 1.B NO FISHING FOR VALUES OR PRICE QUOTES IF YOU ARE NOT A CONTRIBUTOR...DON'T EVEN MENTION THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU ARE "THINKING ABOUT" SELLING, UNLESS YOU ARE A CONTRIBUTOR. BY DOING THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE ADVERTISING. Here is the thread http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/15779-ad-posting-rules-for-all-forums/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Ok got it. To any Mod if you see this please gone me an hour or two to get to a pc here at work ad I'll pay it up. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 We welcome you to contributor status, there is even a secret handshake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would I trade for that "custom" AR when I can buy a brand new proven Colt 6920 for $100 less or a Colt 6940 for $300 more? Today's prices are what they are but IMO anything Delton, Spikes, Double Star, Bushy, Oly, Windham, and the like are $600 rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Well I haven't done it yet. I'm waiting in my wife to send me a card number. Will be soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would I trade for that "custom" AR when I can buy a brand new proven Colt 6920 for $100 less or a Colt 6940 for $300 more? Today's prices are what they are but IMO anything Delton, Spikes, Double Star, Bushy, Oly, Windham, and the like are $600 rifles. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 monty I'll tell you what, if we go shooting, my father is usually my shooting buddy, he's looking for an AR and I bet you could shoot and sell that sucker to him. He's got an Upper I want, and he wants a complete gun lol everyone wins 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 People rarely will pay for what you have "in" the rifle. If you can't find someone to buy, you may have better luck parting it out and selling the lower to an FFL. Otherwise people will expect to get a bargain on your gun - what you see as "custom," others will see as a mix-master. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I never said I want to sell the rfle. And never said I'd get 1200, I was mearly pointing out the cost of each rifle. Just like I know I can't get what I pain for it out in selling it, the owner of an saiga shouldn't expect to get what the rifle costs new out of it. Arik please point to a colt anything for 1100 right now. And I was starring what I've got in the rifle. And delton is a much higher quality than olypmic or whindham, double star. It's really a good gun. The parts are all tested just the same as colt. The bolt it correct steel shit peened, MPI and HPT. The barrel is MPI. The extractor is s7 tools steel, it's chrome lined and has m4 feed ramps. I'd like for you to point to the parts of the colt that makes it better? Other than a prancing horse on the side. Shot peened not shit, and I havent became a contributed yet so if this needs locked just let me know. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Call Surplus City in Feasterville Pa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Custom means nothing, in this or any other market. Motorcycles are even worse. Anything custom is a money pit. Del-ton, probably a $600 rifle, with a nice stock, worth maybe $700. Unbuilt saigas are probably worth $350-$400 each in those calibers. Not a terrible trade during the pre-panic, but in this market 'quantity has a quality of its own', so while people may trade around, few people want to make their collection smaller by trading away 2 rifles for 1. I would try to get ONE of those rifles, but with extras to even up the score. Frez: a x39 Saiga plus a case of Golden Tiger and a few good mags, that would be a fair deal for your Del ton. Edited April 9, 2013 by mostholycerebus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dubya 198 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yeah AR's are in stock at literally every store within 25 miles of my house I've been to in the past 2 weeks (4 or 5) and at normal prices. I traded my 2 month old, very lightly used, Bushmaster that I put all Magpul furniture on (~$160), and more Pmags than I will admit all for a 2012 production/ import Saiga 12 with 5rd Izzy and 10rd ProMag, gun lightly used and unmolested. I got the shaft value wise but I didn't care, that was my choice. I just don't see anyone giving up 2 guns for 1. Especially since Saiga's are kinda diamonds in the rough. The guy that traded me his S12 actually asked to trade back a week afterwards. He said there was nothing wrong with the AR, he just missed the S12. Guess what I said!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 This^^^^ I would get someone willing to part with the saiga you want, and have them throw in some cash or goodies to make it a fair transaction. Then everyone leave with the same quantity of guns they started with. I hear what you are saying, and maybe in non-panic mode two bone stock saiga's are worth one completely customized AR. But, nowadays it will be hard to make that trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I still don't see the delton as a "600 dollar rifle" when a parts kit is 550 and a lower is 150 at a very good price. Also ive yet to hear what makes a colt worth the extra other than the and name On the lower. I mean The sum of the parts is just not greater than the others. If you look at ar makers. If They use the correct steel and the Parts are made the right way then they are equal, I wouldn't compare a oly, windham, ect. Where they use "tool" steel and dont tell you what kind of steel. They don't do MPI on barrels they don't HPT the bolt. These are the thing your paying for, if a delton part would pass all the tests, and is using the correct materials then it is just as good as something else. Look up some reviews on ar15 brands vs brands. Also Delton has made AR parts for other military supliers for like almost 20. Only recently did they start building complete rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Yeah, but a complete colt is going for under $1000 now. Del-Ton is known (among AR people) to be an entry-level product, while Colt is premium level. An Arsenal was just a Saiga. PSA uses the same components as Noveske. But you will pay 2-3x for the name brands, because they also carry prestige and the illusion of superior quality, when used AND resold. AR buyers are among the worst too. You get 3 AR fanboys together and I GUARANTEE one of them will be Mr I-Only-Buy-Colt-Period. You could prove to them that your off-brand was even made on the same mill with the same material by the same guy who does Colts stuff, but without the Colt stamp a LARGE number of AR fans won't even look at it. Honestly, I would keep the AR and look for an unconverted Saiga. Or, if you believe the market is undervaluing ARs and overvaluing Saigas, buy another AR! Edited April 9, 2013 by mostholycerebus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 "You get 3 AR fanboys together and I GUARANTEE one of them will be Mr I-Only-Buy-Colt-Period." And it will weigh no less than 20 lbs from all the tacticool shit on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Semper299" data-cid="887754" data-time="1365534156"><p> "You get 3 AR fanboys together and I GUARANTEE one of them will be Mr I-Only-Buy-Colt-Period."<br /> <br /> <span rel='lightbox'><img src='http://forum.saiga-12.com//public/style_emoticons/default/haha.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /></span><br /> <br /> And it will weigh no less than 20 lbs from all the tacticool shit on it</p></blockquote> Nope, nothing but iron sights. I'll also buy DD, Knights, Noveske, LaRue ..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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