Mountain Man 20 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 So I know this had been brought up wit the GK-01 and some others but to clarify, will all the Saiga 12 muzzle brakes fir the Vepr 12's?I am between the:Bonesteel Firestormhttp://www.bonesteelarms.com/12-Gauge-Firestorm-Muzzle-Brake-12gfsb.htm&Tromix Monsterhttp://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/product_p/trx-monster-sgp61.htmI have seen the GK-01 and a bunch others but I really like these two. Will I have any problems with barrel diameters or life threatening injuries? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Yes they will. I am stuck with the same dilema. Our guns may be twins in the end The monster break is very thick and heavy is the only issue there. The mini monster is almost as functional and much lighter than the full sized monster. Tony from Tromix said that is gives about 60% of what the full sized does which is quite a bit of recoil reduction for the VEPR. Thats the way i am leaning. Edited July 5, 2013 by menace667 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I have used the GK-01 it was really nice but too big for my build. I had the bonesteel permanent attached to a shortened barrel. It is a really nice design. My only complaint is that it seemingly shaves the wad as it exits and that causes debris to be shot back behind the shooting line which hits other shooters on ranges in the face, etc. Not a good situation. They need to open it up a bit if they haven't already. Either way, I am kind of stuck with mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Yes they will. I am stuck with the same dilema. Our guns may be twins in the end The monster break is very thick and heavy is the only issue there. The mini monster is almost as functional and much lighter than the full sized monster. Tony from Tromix said that is gives about 60% of what the full sized does which is quite a bit of recoil reduction for the VEPR. Thats the way i am leaning. I have used the GK-01 it was really nice but too big for my build. I had the bonesteel permanent attached to a shortened barrel. It is a really nice design. My only complaint is that it seemingly shaves the wad as it exits and that causes debris to be shot back behind the shooting line which hits other shooters on ranges in the face, etc. Not a good situation. They need to open it up a bit if they haven't already. Either way, I am kind of stuck with mine. Thanks guys the helps! Menace, I do think your right, twinsies, lol... I like how heavy duty and badass the full size monster looks! EC, I remember you had some cycling problems once you chopped did you get things working well again, what products did you use? Edited July 5, 2013 by Mountain Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Waiting on my bolt/carrier/FCG to come back from reprofile/polish. I believe that will solve the problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Waiting on my bolt/carrier/FCG to come back from reprofile/polish. I believe that will solve the problem Okay, I look forward to hearing about how it goes, I am thinking about a chop and weld too but my Vepr 12 runs flawless right now so I dont wanto to mess with perfection... Edited July 5, 2013 by Mountain Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I certainly would do a lot of soul searching before doing a chop and weld with the monster break. It is long and would make the chop somewhere arounf the 13" mark which is super short without some quality gunsmithing going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 At the present moment I am running a BoneSteel Firestorm and I heart it. However, I have been looking into getting some chokes, and in researching, found that Vepr 12 barrels and Saiga 12 barrels have different diameters. This concerns me. I have never heard of an issue occurring, and 99.9% of people say that Saiga 12 brakes and chokes work on Vepr 12's, but it still makes me wonder... what is acceptable risk, if any?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Ive got too much I want to do to mine, and not enough funds. But Im planning on a very similar brake. I think Im going to go with the bonesteel for me. At the present moment I am running a BoneSteel Firestorm and I heart it. However, I have been looking into getting some chokes, and in researching, found that Vepr 12 barrels and Saiga 12 barrels have different diameters. This concerns me. I have never heard of an issue occurring, and 99.9% of people say that Saiga 12 brakes and chokes work on Vepr 12's, but it still makes me wonder... what is acceptable risk, if any?... I dont know if you would have any risks. Its hard to say since Ive never tried, but I wouldnt imagine it would hurt the gun any. I always thought they had the same thread pitch, and that they will work with one anothers muzzle devices. I want some chokes as well to shoot skeet. lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Im with captain. I understand that the barrel itself is (heavier) thicker but the thread pitch is the same. I currently have a leftover Saiga break on mine until i decide what to go with and it threaded on just fine and is nice and tight. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) I went back and read quote again from PappaZorro. Apparently there maybe only a problem with running flashiders and chokes. Brakes should be ok since most usually have a larger diameter then the barrel. The possible safety concern is that internal barrel diameter of Vepr 12 barrel is 18.5mm and Saiga 12 is 18.3mm, so at the end of the barrel where flashider/ choke is, could be a 100 micron high step. Idk.. food for thought... Edited July 6, 2013 by Muffman 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I don't think I'd worry about it. That's just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'd also guess that the barrels ID will vary from gun to gun in terms of precision measurements. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 As Muffman wrote should care to use only Flash hiders that are made as slotted cylinder chocks, as well other kind of chokes and paradox for Saiga-12 (18,3 mm), no problem to most Muzzle brakes. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 The prodigal son returns!!! Not to sound like a dick rider, but very excited you have returned, as your 2 cents is normally worth a dollar more then others... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 The prodigal son returns!!! Not to sound like a dick rider, but very excited you have returned, as your 2 cents is normally worth a dollar more then others... Hey Everyone! We got a dick rider! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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menace667 194 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Muffman must not be married, cause all that stuff stops after the honeymoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdskumm 39 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) the 10 slot flash hider I got has a bigger internal diam than the inside of the barrel, I can't speak for all, but I wouldn't think there would be an issue with most flash hiders. Edited July 7, 2013 by hdskumm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 As Muffman wrote should care to use only Flash hiders that are made as slotted cylinder chocks, as well other kind of chokes and paradox for Saiga-12 (18,3 mm), no problem to most Muzzle brakes. +1 to PapaZorro's return, he is one of the best resources to the community! The prodigal son returns!!! Not to sound like a dick rider, but very excited you have returned, as your 2 cents is normally worth a dollar more then others... Hey Everyone! We got a dick rider! EC do you have any pics of your V12 with the perm attached brake? I would love to see it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Has anyone used or thought about this SGM choke with external threads, it allows you to still use your muzzle compensator at the same time. Pretty cool, I am definitely thinking about it... http://sgmtactical.com/sgm-products/muzzle_brakes_chokes/vepr-12-full-choke-with-external-threads/ Edited July 8, 2013 by Mountain Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Muffman must not be married, cause all that stuff stops after the honeymoon. I don't get it?... Has anyone used or thought about this SGM choke with external threads, it allows you to still use your muzzle compensator at the same time. Pretty cool, I am definitely thinking about it... http://sgmtactical.com/sgm-products/muzzle_brakes_chokes/vepr-12-full-choke-with-external-threads/ I have thought about it, but after some concerns with different diameters of Siaga 12 barrel and Vepr 12 barrel, I would like to further research if possible. I wish some companies would shed more light into their R&D and testing. I even purchased a 2 round magazine to shoot skeet with my Vepr 12. A modified choke with a brake would be the tits... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Muffman must not be married, cause all that stuff stops after the honeymoon. I don't get it?... Has anyone used or thought about this SGM choke with external threads, it allows you to still use your muzzle compensator at the same time. Pretty cool, I am definitely thinking about it... http://sgmtactical.com/sgm-products/muzzle_brakes_chokes/vepr-12-full-choke-with-external-threads/ I have thought about it, but after some concerns with different diameters of Siaga 12 barrel and Vepr 12 barrel, I would like to further research if possible. I wish some companies would shed more light into their R&D and testing. I even purchased a 2 round magazine to shoot skeet with my Vepr 12. A modified choke with a brake would be the tits... Hopefully since this is the Vepr 12 version it will work, but since it is kind of important to know, so that your gun doesn't blow up, a little research or a few emails might be in order... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 EC do you have any pics of your V12 with the perm attached brake? I would love to see it! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) the 10 slot flash hider I got has a bigger internal diam than the inside of the barrel, I can't speak for all, but I wouldn't think there would be an issue with most flash hiders.Original Molot FH is slotted cylinder choke that has marks C (0,0) on it, I'm not sure but IMHO IZMASH FH model on Saiga-12-030 is the same but has 18,3 mm instead of 18,5 mm internal diameter. Pic of original FH and Paradox for Molot Becas and Vep-12 VPO-205-02 shotguns Edited July 8, 2013 by PapaZorro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I know the I.D. of the US made 10 slot FH is > the I.D. of the Molot Vepr 12 barrel. That's what I'm running on mine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thor's Hammer 33 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Anybody running the CSS Phantom hider? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 EC do you have any pics of your V12 with the perm attached brake? I would love to see it! Okay EC, that is sexy, damn!!! Did you cerrakote just those parts or the whole thing? Love the color, what is it? Is that the Magpul UBR? It is freaking awesome looking, what adapter are you running on it for the stock? Thanks for the pics! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 EC do you have any pics of your V12 with the perm attached brake? I would love to see it! Okay EC, that is sexy, damn!!! Did you cerrakote just those parts or the whole thing? Love the color, what is it? Is that the Magpul UBR? It is freaking awesome looking, what adapter are you running on it for the stock? Thanks for the pics! Here is another shot of it. The FDE parts are cerakoted in Magpul FDE, the stock is a UBR. The stock adapter is the rifled dynamics AK/AR stock adapter, it's a superb piece of engineering, bringing the stock inline with the barrel. The rest is not cerakoted, unfortunately. That was a regrettable decision, as some agent got on the reciever and now it needs to be redone. The factory russian finish is more volatile than most finishes on western firearms. I will deal with that in time. I am still trying to decide what / if I want to do with another folder vepr. I didn't think i would like a quad rail due to bulk/weight, so this one I went low profile. However, I must say I do like what Chaos has made so I made use that on a folding vepr. Not sure. The reality is I have too many shotguns as it is. I need to finish some of my AK and AR builds. If they imported one with more features, cross bolt safety would be the killer feature for me, I'd drop everything and do another build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Really really nice setup, I think I might follow suit on the UBR and move my bonesteel one of my rifles, its just super pricey...Thanks again for sharing, great project! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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