Belloc 12 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Anyone know why Ace moved the push-button to the middle of their folding mechanism? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 BELLOC, I MAY STAND CORRECTED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SIDE BUTTON IS AN ACE. I JUST CHECKED THEIR W-SITE AND IN THE PUSH BUTTON CATEGORY, THERE IS ONLY THE MORE CENTERED VERSION, AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I GOT A COUPLE OF THESE FROM CSS LAST YEAR, WHILE MODIFYING A COUPLE OF 'X54R VEPERS, THINKING THEY WERE THE ACE PIECE, AND THEY APPARENTLY AREN'T. THE "MADE IN THE USA" IS IN THE SAME SCRIPT AS THE ACE, BUT NOWHERE DOES IT SAY ACE. I DO NOT LIKE THESE THINGS, AS THEY ARE LOOSER WHEN LOCKED OPEN THAN THE ACE. YES, THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ALLEN SCREWS TO TRY TO ADJUST OUT THE SLACK, BUT THEY JUST DON'T CUT IT. I'VE ALREADY PUT ONE ON MY'X45R VEPR, SO I'LL JUST EAT THAT ONE, AND GET A TRUE ACE PIECE FOR MY BUD'S 'X54R VEPR, WHEN I HAVE A SPARE MOMENT. THE ONLY REASON THAT I USED IT, WAS THAT ACE WAS BACKORDERED ON THEIR PUSH BUTTON VERSION, AND HAD BEEN FOR A WHILE. LOOKING AT THEIR W-SITE, THEY SEEM TO BE IN STOCK AT THIS TIME. I NEED TO HAVE A CHAT WITH GREGG AT CSS ABOUT A REFUND ON THE UNUSED ONE I HAVE, OR A SWAP FOR AN ACE PIECE. AMONG THE OTHER HUNDRED THINGS I HAVE TO DO...... JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) jess is right , it isn't a ACE made folding stock mechanism, but a "ACE style" one, and is erroneous called a ACE folding stock mechanism, because it looks very, very, very similar to a real ACE one, so people believe that ACE made it. that folding mechanism is made by DPH ARMS http://dpharms.com/products/ak-47_furniture/folding_stock_hinge_for_ace_stocks.html and as Paul Harvey use to say; and now you know the rest of the story............good day. Edited August 7, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Belloc 12 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Thanks for the replies, and that might not be a pic of an Ace mechanism, (my bad if that is the case) but it is still a copy of the old Ace style. The pic below is in fact the old Ace push-button folding mechanism. I know this for a fact because I have two that I purchased from Ace many years ago. But I recently noticed the change in design and was wondering if anyone knew the reason for the change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 well, if you really, really and realllyllllllllllllly want to know why they went with a center position release button, e-mail them and ask them directly. anything anybody says here is just speculation and conjecture 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Belloc 12 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I'll probably try that next, just thought I would ask here first since Ace is notoriously known for not getting back in touch with people. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 GUYS, SPECULATION ON MY PART, BUT I'M THINKING THAT THE REASON FOR THE MOVEMENT OF THE BUTTON FROM SIDE TO NEAR CENTER IS BETTER LEVERAGE OR FINAL LOCK-UP, OR SOMETHING VERY CLOSE TO IT. JESS1344 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'd guess that Ace changed the style of their push button mechanism because people had problems with them working loose. I have a couple of the ones from CSS and they seem to be an improvement over the original ACE style in that they have two adjustment set screws instead of one, and they are poly tipped instead of metal on metal. You can adjust almost all of the slop out of them using the two screws; it's a PITA and takes some trial and error, but it can be done. I would like to try the new style of Ace push button mechanism and see how it compares to the CSS (or DPH, if that's who actually makes it) version. I think if you want a push button mechanism a little slop is probably part of the price of that. I found it to be worth it because the lockup is more reliable than the spring load type mechanism, which I found tends to unlock under 12 gauge recoil. A little looseness is better than an auto-folding stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I have an old ace and the pivot is the button. They moved the button to the middle to reduce the mechanical bind that can be created by uneven force. Also it allows the axle bolt to be a closer fit since it only needs to pivot, not slide smoothly. This reduces freeplay. CSS has one made that is very similar to the old Ace, except it has an additional set screw to adjust slack. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 GUYS, I'VE GOT A FER-REAL ACE PUSH BUTTON HINGE CONNECTING AN ACE SKELETON TO AN S-410, AND IT'S TIGHTER-'N WHALE PUSSY (AND THAT'S WATER TIGHT), BUT NOT BINDING. IT'S STACKED WITH A BOSSETECH SWIVEL, SO THAT YOU MAY CLOSE THE SIDE FOLDER AND HAVE THE BUTT CLEAR A DRUM, ALSO WORKS ON THE RIFLES WITH THE 75RND DRUM, BTW. DON'T LIKE THE POLY-TIPPED ADJUSTMENT SCREWS, AS THEY SEEM TO KEEP GETTING FLATTENED OUT, REQUIRING A BIT MORE ADJUSTMENT. AFTER ABOUT THE THIRD OR FOURTH ROUND OF THAT, ONE IS SORELY TEMPTED TO SAY NAUGHTY THINGS ABOUT SOMEONES ANCESTRY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'VE LOCTITED THEM IN.......... ALSO HAVE GENUINE ACE FRICTION FOLDERS ON SOME OTHERS, WHICH IS WHAT I STARTED OFF WITH; WISH NOW I'D GOTTEN THE PUSH BUTTON TYPE (ACE) FROM THE GIT. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 DON'T LIKE THE POLY-TIPPED ADJUSTMENT SCREWS, AS THEY SEEM TO KEEP GETTING FLATTENED OUT, REQUIRING A BIT MORE ADJUSTMENT. If you pre-crush them prior to adjusting and loctite, they seem to hold adjustment better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I kind of thought the same thing for filing the standard set screws flat too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Belloc 12 Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Well, 5 days and still no reply from Ace. In any case I simply put a strip of grip tape between the two attachment screws to remove the slight play that was there when the mechanism was closed. It has worked well so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Any locking hinge that uses the hinge pin as a release will suck. Not only do the clearences need to a lot bigger, the avalible bearing area is greatly reduced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 jess is right , it isn't a ACE made folding stock mechanism, but a "ACE style" one, and is erroneous called a ACE folding stock mechanism, because it looks very, very, very similar to a real ACE one, so people believe that ACE made it. that folding mechanism is made by DPH ARMS http://dpharms.com/products/ak-47_furniture/folding_stock_hinge_for_ace_stocks.html and as Paul Harvey use to say; and now you know the rest of the story............good day. Just to clear up something......we do not make a push button style hinge as of yet. I do not know who is making the folding hinge that is pictured above. The design that we had for a "new and better" hinge was given to one of the shops that used to make our parts. Due to some "ideological differences" in how to run a business with integrity.......we decided to move on and find another shop to produce our parts. Since we left that shop.......they have since taken the liberty to claim our idea as their design and are marketing it through one of our competitors. So again, I do not know who is making the above hinge but it isn't us. Scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.