JESS1344 508 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 GUYS, FIRST OUTRAGE OF 2015. NOT THE LAST TO BE SURE...... JESS1344 Click here: ATF position on equipment use threatens private gun-making - National gun rights | Examiner.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_Boris_ 63 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Sales tax? This ruling is more aimed at larger businesses, from what I heard a few out west, who would invite people into the shop and let them "push the button". The building community has grown so much that it's not that hard to find and befriend local people who put up build parties and informal gatherings to share knowledge and tools. I'd love to see this bullshit not surface, but this has 0 effect on people who are determined to understand how their rifle works and make a few to bury in the backyard, just in case. With current jigs and tutorials and networking galore, making your own has never been easier (except when you could mail order complete MG right to your door .... good times) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Trying to circumvent laws leads to stricter variations of the laws , not more reasonable laws pretty sure this is in response to 80 percent AR lowers being completed in certain machine shops. I doubt atf would accept that as a legitimate practice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yep, I figured it was the well equipped shops giving classes on how to build ARs who were being targeted. Just more of that unconstitutional infringement stuff. Maybe the business could sell one share of the business to the customer making the customer an owner. Then the biz buys back the share. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 What I am concerned with is that we still have two more years of this shit to endure. What else is being planned to slam down our throats? An example would be the proposed EPA wet lands rules. Can anybody make any specific predictions as to what else may be "ruled upon"? HB of CJ (old coot) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobthetomato 15 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Odds are the tools and jigs would need to leave the property. I don't think a CNC mill will fit in my Toyota. Mini-mill rentals might make sense though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just another reason why AK>AR! Shop press and die more energy efficient than mill! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Odds are the tools and jigs would need to leave the property. I don't think a CNC mill will fit in my Toyota. Mini-mill rentals might make sense though. Why? I have a car in my driveway that the bank owns. As I said above, the customer buying a share of the company may be a more solid workaround. I'm not an attorney of course, I'm pretty sure they would advise against any workarounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 What I am concerned with is that we still have two more years of this shit to endure. What else is being planned to slam down our throats? An example would be the proposed EPA wet lands rules. Can anybody make any specific predictions as to what else may be "ruled upon"? HB of CJ (old coot) Anything that is anti Constitutional, Un-American, anything that is from the Conservative side of the Spectrum. Including Websites like this one... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/01/02/get-ready-the-fcc-says-itll-vote-on-net-neutrality-in-february/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 The Armalite AR15 design was wrapped around high tech. Aluminum, computer controlled operations, high infrastructure endeavors. The AK platform was designed around a kinda low pressure round using lousy powder, and cheap slag steel; the rifle around a little high grade steel, low grade sheet metal and common plywood. A big difference. HB of CJ (old coot) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 So what would stop the customer from "buying" the tools, jigs, etc. and then selling them back to the shop when he is finished. Then they would be machining their guns with their own tools. Odds are the tools and jigs would need to leave the property. I don't think a CNC mill will fit in my Toyota. Mini-mill rentals might make sense though. Why? I have a car in my driveway that the bank owns. As I said above, the customer buying a share of the company may be a more solid workaround. I'm not an attorney of course, I'm pretty sure they would advise against any workarounds. GUYS, FUCK-A-BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS, LETTING THOSE BASTARDS THINK THAT THEY RUN THE WORLD HAS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH WHY WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT. EXCLUDING OF COURSE THE COMPARATIVELY VERY RARE CONSERVATIVE, ORIGINAL CONSITUTIONAL INTENT TYPES. IT'S NOW GETTING DOWN TO PLAYING A FUCKING "CHESS GAME", IE, MOVE-COUNTERMOVE, WITH THE ABOVE CITED ALPHABET COCKSUCKERS. JUS' SAYIN'...... JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 bullshit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 The Armalite AR15 design was wrapped around high tech. Aluminum, computer controlled operations, high infrastructure endeavors. The AK platform was designed around a kinda low pressure round using lousy powder, and cheap slag steel; the rifle around a little high grade steel, low grade sheet metal and common plywood. A big difference. HB of CJ (old coot) Okay, I'll concede to you that the AR-15 was high tech (manufacturing-wise) as compared to the AK. But the AK had a .30 caliber bullet (with a lousy powder charge ) that usually could punch through the nettlesome tree trunks when Victor Charlie decided to take shelter behind them. Something the M193 round could not attest to. Most Viet Nam era Grunts would begrudgingly admit if forced (or first plied with a few drinks) that they would much rather have the AK (or SKS) platform to depend on in a true life or death situation. That is, if hearing the muzzle report of the AK didn't make them interesting to their ally brethren in arms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
horatio 515 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Armalite AR15 design was wrapped around high tech. Aluminum, computer controlled operations, high infrastructure endeavors. The AK platform was designed around a kinda low pressure round using lousy powder, and cheap slag steel; the rifle around a little high grade steel, low grade sheet metal and common plywood. A big difference. HB of CJ (old coot) Okay, I'll concede to you that the AR-15 was high tech (manufacturing-wise) as compared to the AK. But the AK had a .30 caliber bullet (with a lousy powder charge ) that usually could punch through the nettlesome tree trunks when Victor Charlie decided to take shelter behind them. Something the M193 round could not attest to. Most Viet Nam era Grunts would begrudgingly admit if forced (or first plied with a few drinks) that they would much rather have the AK (or SKS) platform to depend on in a true life or death situation. That is, if hearing the muzzle report of the AK didn't make them interesting to their ally brethren in arms. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure when I read black hawk down there was a section in there about operators or specialists ( delta force) some of whom preferred carting an ak because, if I remember the quote somewhat correctly, at least when you hit them a a round from the ak, you knew they'd stay down. Not diminishing the ar by any means. I like my ar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I do know a force recon guy whom takes an AK for doing cowboy shit, in Afganhistan when he's over there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 back to the ak vs ar dribble 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 back to the ak vs ar dribble I really meant it as a joke, I didn't expect everybody to take the ball and run with it like this. Call me stupid for forgetting it's the internet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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