Me a felon?

[sobrenegade 795]

I saw this pop up when I innocently went to check the address of a business I just ordered parts from. Who'd a thunk I was pushing criminal charges.

Better stash the porn, huh?

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/2159104/clearing-browser-history-obstruction-of-justice/

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Hard to see how they could make that stick. Clearing browser history is a common and often used tool to speedup browser or to fix issue with it.

[pyzik 597]

I just deleted mine and....

 

Hold on there is someone at the door.

[lumberman 116]

Interesting.  Funny how Clinton got away with deleting thousands of emails, though.  Regardless, if they want one's search history they can get it from the ISP.

[Spartacus 1,619]

And don't ever wash your car, you may be destroying evidence of a hit n' run.

 

Absurd BS.... like they have a right to tell anybody what they can and can't do with their private property.

[Sim_Player 1,939]

 

 

How many laws do we break everyday?

Edited June 10, 2015 by Sim_Player

[Juggernaut 11,054]

[HB of CJ 1,263]

I do not see how.  I will ask my computer nerd buddies who are ex USN with PhDs and stuff and ask them.  Also it seems to me having a nasty browser with all those European porn site hits should be held as a badge of courage ... particularly at my advanced age?  How can one self incriminate ones self anyhow?  Just me.  HB

 

Edited my HB.  Is wiping the temp files routinely the same thing?  I know nothing about dinkum thinkums.  HB

 

Edited by HB again:  Was not there recently a video made during spring college break showing a 17 year old girl dancing topless on some beach ... and that uncut video ran like on ALL the network news sites?  Sosss .... if we watched the uncut version and a lot of us did, does that make us all instant Felons also?  Like half the nation?  Stupid law.

Edited June 10, 2015 by HB of CJ

[sobrenegade 795]

I thought it was BS too. If I didn't clean my system at least once a week I may as well resort back to the good ol' USPS. My quad drive was obsolete a few months after I bought it and AT&T's modems really suck. Mine stops working at least a couple times a week. I can't imagine going any slower except reverting back to "dial up", if that exists any more. Maybe smoke signals. Now where's that book on signals for preppers?

Edited June 10, 2015 by sobrenegade

[wasrNwarpaint 184]

you can not control a law abiding public....you must criminalize EVERYTHING

[lumberman 116]

I thought it was BS too. If I didn't clean my system at least once a week I may as well resort back to the good ol' USPS. My quad drive was obsolete a few months after I bought it and AT&T's modems really suck. Mine stops working at least a couple times a week. I can't imagine going any slower except reverting back to "dial up", if that exists any more. Maybe smoke signals. Now where's that book on signals for preppers?

I thought it was just my AT&T modem that just decided to reset itself randomly.  They replaced everything and I still have the same problem. 

Oh, and yes, it is a good idea to clear history and cache regularly. 

Edited June 10, 2015 by lumberman

[sobrenegade 795]

Funny story. Last time I went to their store to complain since this was the third modem I had to BUY, the female waiting on me suggested maybe it might be my DSL provider. DUH, I have AT&T. I asked sort of sarcastically if maybe it might be the country that manufactured the modem and their quality control. She said she doubted it. I showed her the last one, a Motorola, and paired it next to the new Motorola and guess what? Different models, both made in China. Stony silence, and I am sure I'll have to go back. Maybe I'll get lucky and my hard drive will mysteriously get erased. I wonder how this all applies to my back up external hard drive that updates the info when I do a back up? Too much thinking and no A/C yet. Nap time. Going to go sweat in my LazyBoy.

[gunfun 3,931]

So unless you guys are offering stock and deleting history from your work computers, you do realize this whole discussion is irrelevant. I mean, we all know that HB of CJ is secretly the CEO of Chevron, so he should worry, but the rest of us can relax about this particular dealie.

[Spartacus 1,619]

I'm an IT guy.

 

Cleaning up temp files and browser cache/cookies is all part of normal maintenance.

Sometimes that is required to get things running correctly. Cached data can get corrupted and cause browser crashes.

 

It's like doing oil changes on your car.

 

I don't see any way (in a normal sane world) it could ever be called a crime to properly maintain your computer.

 

Steven Gould's "CleanUp!" utility does a great job cleaning up the junk. I use it on customer's computers and have

never had any problems with it. The donations (you'll get prompts) are not required.

 

You may want to turn off the sound option, it makes a toilet flush sound after it cleans up.   

 

http://www.stevengould.org/index.php?Itemid=223&id=29&option=com_content&task=view

Edited June 10, 2015 by Spartacus

[sccritterkiller 473]

Funny story. Last time I went to their store to complain since this was the third modem I had to BUY, the female waiting on me suggested maybe it might be my DSL provider. DUH, I have AT&T. I asked sort of sarcastically if maybe it might be the country that manufactured the modem and their quality control. She said she doubted it. I showed her the last one, a Motorola, and paired it next to the new Motorola and guess what? Different models, both made in China. Stony silence, and I am sure I'll have to go back. Maybe I'll get lucky and my hard drive will mysteriously get erased. I wonder how this all applies to my back up external hard drive that updates the info when I do a back up? Too much thinking and no A/C yet. Nap time. Going to go sweat in my LazyBoy.

Kinda like the lady at the PO asking me if I wanted to pay for tracking when I mailed my tax returns in....I said you want me to pay extra to track my tax returns going from one government agency to another? Talk about incompetence. The crowd behind me found my comment amusing...the lady behind the counter to so much....lol..Before you ask yes all of my returns were received in time.

 

SOX compliance only applies to publicly traded companies. Notice in the story he was initially charged with it pleaded guilty lesser charge. Typical government SOP. Charge them with whatever we can and see what they will plea to. I would like to an an example of a private citizen actually, charged with a SOX violation.

Edited June 10, 2015 by sccritterkiller

[HB of CJ 1,263]

I talked to my board and they told me that since I run Lennix Mint 17 there are no temp files to delete to try to speed things up.  The guilty party in my case is the network provider who is F ........r Telephone.  Truly shitty service for the money.  Their set up clogs up all the time.  How I fix that is just leave their provider black box thingie turned on all the time.  If that does not work, then I turn off and on the black box provider telephone thingie.  But ... again I was laughed at and told I have no temp files to delete.  Opps.  We are launching 3 new tankers next week.  Wanna come and watch?  HB of CJ 

 

Isn't computer illiteracy great?

[gunfun 3,931]

I'm an IT guy.

 

Cleaning up temp files and browser cache/cookies is all part of normal maintenance.

Sometimes that is required to get things running correctly. Cached data can get corrupted and cause browser crashes.

 

It's like doing oil changes on your car.

 

I don't see any way (in a normal sane world) it could ever be called a crime to properly maintain your computer.

 

Steven Gould's "CleanUp!" utility does a great job cleaning up the junk. I use it on customer's computers and have

never had any problems with it. The donations (you'll get prompts) are not required.

 

You may want to turn off the sound option, it makes a toilet flush sound after it cleans up.   

 

http://www.stevengould.org/index.php?Itemid=223&id=29&option=com_content&task=view

 

Actually, there are compliance protocols for "Sox" (shat the cool kids say to let you know they are down with sarbanes oxley) and also other regulations for how long you need to keep certain kinds of emails. Usually places use a dedicated account for just those to keep it simple. I've been to seminars where they handed out advice: Basically every company is advised to delete stuff like this as soon as compliance allows and every few months for everything not regulated. It's just common sense aside from technical reasons. If you ever get a discovery request, etc. by someone you do business with for "every email discussing or concerning ___whatever___" how much do you want to dig through? The answer you want to give, is "our system only has enough memory to hold ten emails, and 9 of those are forwards from our grandma. The other one is a memo about leaving food in the break room fridge."

 

So all of the rules like the one discussed above allow for this. The issue comes up as illegal when there is specific expected or active litigation or investigation and they start deleting more than they normally would, or against internal policy. So the safety measure is to have an automatic process and document what the settings are. "our policy is to delete all staff communications every 6 months unless specifically flagged for archival. We keep the following accounts for X years: accountant #1, communications with IRS or SEC...."

[sobrenegade 795]

I talked to my board and they told me that since I run Lennix Mint 17 there are no temp files to delete to try to speed things up.  The guilty party in my case is the network provider who is F ........r Telephone.  Truly shitty service for the money.  Their set up clogs up all the time.  How I fix that is just leave their provider black box thingie turned on all the time.  If that does not work, then I turn off and on the black box provider telephone thingie.  But ... again I was laughed at and told I have no temp files to delete.  Opps.  We are launching 3 new tankers next week.  Wanna come and watch?  HB of CJ 

 

Isn't computer illiteracy great?

I prefer to think than not only am I computer illiterate, but pleasantly demented and grammatically unstable.

[scoutjoe 276]

Mine stops working at least a couple times a week. I can't imagine going any slower except reverting back to "dial up", if that exists any more.

 

Dial up still definately still around. I have 2 locations I can't get off dial up because nothing else is available.

 

There is no way that this law could stick, I couldn't tell you how many times a week I have to clear caches. Not to mention "incognito " mode for chrome, etc.

[Spartacus 1,619]

 

I'm an IT guy.

 

Cleaning up temp files and browser cache/cookies is all part of normal maintenance.

Sometimes that is required to get things running correctly. Cached data can get corrupted and cause browser crashes.

 

It's like doing oil changes on your car.

 

I don't see any way (in a normal sane world) it could ever be called a crime to properly maintain your computer.

 

Steven Gould's "CleanUp!" utility does a great job cleaning up the junk. I use it on customer's computers and have

never had any problems with it. The donations (you'll get prompts) are not required.

 

You may want to turn off the sound option, it makes a toilet flush sound after it cleans up.   

 

http://www.stevengould.org/index.php?Itemid=223&id=29&option=com_content&task=view

 

Actually, there are compliance protocols for "Sox" (shat the cool kids say to let you know they are down with sarbanes oxley) and also other regulations for how long you need to keep certain kinds of emails. Usually places use a dedicated account for just those to keep it simple. I've been to seminars where they handed out advice: Basically every company is advised to delete stuff like this as soon as compliance allows and every few months for everything not regulated. It's just common sense aside from technical reasons. If you ever get a discovery request, etc. by someone you do business with for "every email discussing or concerning ___whatever___" how much do you want to dig through? The answer you want to give, is "our system only has enough memory to hold ten emails, and 9 of those are forwards from our grandma. The other one is a memo about leaving food in the break room fridge."

 

So all of the rules like the one discussed above allow for this. The issue comes up as illegal when there is specific expected or active litigation or investigation and they start deleting more than they normally would, or against internal policy. So the safety measure is to have an automatic process and document what the settings are. "our policy is to delete all staff communications every 6 months unless specifically flagged for archival. We keep the following accounts for X years: accountant #1, communications with IRS or SEC...."

 

 

I made no mention of emails.... but you are right that businesses may be required to retain email for a period of time.

There is no such requirement for private personal non-business email.

 

There is also no requirement to retain any kind of temp files or browser cache data, that would be ridiculous.

 

The utility I linked above has nothing to do with deleting email.

[gunfun 3,931]

Emails are the main thing they are really worried about. 

 

I was talking about policies that deal with email, but I should have said that the recommended policies for data are about the same. i.e. delete often, have a written rule for how often or what events trigger the deletions. "maintanance" would cover it.

 

It's pretty much only when you break your own rules or delete stuff specifically because it might be relevant to a legal action that there is any chance of trouble.

[G O B 3,516]

It is only when you are under investigation that it becomes a crime. But this is the same law prosecutors tried to use on the Captain for dumping under sized fish - the Courts threw that one out, it is rather hard to define a fish as a record!

 

 I dump my browser history all the time, but HOW STUPID does a person have to be to have evidence of criminal activity laying around in their 'puter?

[gunfun 3,931]

It is only when you are under investigation that it becomes a crime. But this is the same law prosecutors tried to use on the Captain for dumping under sized fish - the Courts threw that one out, it is rather hard to define a fish as a record!

 

 I dump my browser history all the time, but HOW STUPID does a person have to be to have evidence of criminal activity laying around in their 'puter?

 

It's when someone is constantly casually doing criminal activity because they think they are invincible, OR when they are doing completely normal stuff that later could be interpreted as criminal. As discussed above, this law mostly affects deleting stuff that companies selling stock are required to keep.

[Ruffian72 548]

I saw this pop up when I innocently went to check the address of a business I just ordered parts from. Who'd a thunk I was pushing criminal charges.

Better stash the porn, huh?

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/2159104/clearing-browser-history-obstruction-of-justice/

Think the cat is shady. Guilt by association.