SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I believe there was a debate around here that a 9mm would not stop a charging grizz. Well here you have it. http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/fishing-guide-kills-grizzly-bear-charges-within-feet-clients/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 As has been proven time and time again in self defense shootings, albeit with humans, it isn't the caliber that counts. It is rounds on target, the more, the quicker and in vital areas wins the fight. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) The question isn't whether it could stop, but how reliably it would stop and how quickly. In the story, the bear was within biting range of a lady's face while the guide took slow aimed shots. The bear wasn't actively mauling people and wasn't immediately incapacitated. Rather it wandered a few yards off before dying. Had it been more aggressive, this bear had plenty of time to hurt people badly before it was out of action. Grizzlies have a third metabolic process which can allow them to operate for a few minutes without oxygen being added to their blood. In practice that means there are lots of documented examples of grizzlies which have mauled camps full of people AFTER having their hearts or lungs shot out. There are also plenty of examples of grizzlies being killed with .22lr, etc, but I would always prefer something that has a good chance of reaching the brain or spine from most angles. That said, I think the Lehigh extreme penetrators would get the most out of 9mm for this kind of application. Edited August 18, 2016 by GunFun 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I think I will just keep the 338mag when in griz territory 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Clarity...how many folks would raise their hand to face down a charging grizzly with a 9? Don't everyone volunteer at once. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Shot 1,287 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 9 M&Ms wouldn't be my first choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Article touched on some of the asinine laws we have in this state. Survive a bear attack, and you are required to immediately skin the bear and hand over the hide to the troopers... So they can sell it for profit in an auction they hold each year. They will sit there and watch while you do it, and if you don't know HOW to skin a bear, write you a ticket for doing it wrong. And it seems like a lot of the time they will decide after the fact that you didn't really need to kill that bear, and prosecute you for illegally taking a bear. As a result, a lot of bears that are legitimately killed in defense of life and property go unreported. It's not all bad though... A co-worker lives in one of Anchorage's outlying areas where bears were getting to be a real problem. The state guys' hands are tied because of all the bunny huggers that just need to get the fuck out of Alaska, and finally they passed the word to some of the locals to take care of the problem and they would look the other way. Co-worker said he heard frequent gunshots for a few weeks. Now you don't hear about too many bear problems in that area. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 9mm can do some real dammage as it's known for overpenetration. But it still wouldn't be my first choice for grizzly, unless it's from an UZI with a 16" barrel. I could easily see it doing a pinball game in a bear's ribcage after what I've seen it do to a whitetail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Clarity...how many folks would raise their hand to face down a charging grizzly with a 9? Don't everyone volunteer at once. Better than waving my Dick at it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 9mm can do some real dammage as it's known for overpenetration. But it still wouldn't be my first choice for grizzly, unless it's from an UZI with a 16" barrel. I could easily see it doing a pinball game in a bear's ribcage after what I've seen it do to a whitetail. Overpenetration is relative to two legged deer without armor, with FMJ. That's good for around 20" in gel, but bears have denser tissue and heavy hide and bones. There just aren't a lot of guarantees. I'd rather have a 9mm than a weaker caliber and rather than a revolver with only a few shots of slightly more penetration, but I think a baby glock 10mm has it's merit for this kind of role. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 but I think a baby glock 10mm has it's merit for this kind of role. Yup. These days a G20 is my woods gun, but for years all I had was a G29. However, I typically carry a long gun in any area where bears are a possibility. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 It's a shame the other tupperware brands don't offer 10mm options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 My newly acquired .445 Supermag would definitely do the trick, but as mentioned, I may only get 1 or 2 shots off due to the heavy recoil. So those few shots better land their mark. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 BEAUTIFUL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 My newly acquired .445 Supermag would definitely do the trick That is a very nice wristbreaker. Yeah, that should stop a Grizzly, hell, just the muzzle blast might convince him to turn tail. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) To bring this more on topic, a friend of mine apparently stopped a brown bear with a Saiga 12 loaded with Brenneke slugs, however I didn't think to ask him if it was a "shovel ready" bear, or if it was harvested on a tag, or reported as a DLP kill. A lot of guys up here will buy a tag each year and carry it in case they have to dump a problem bear. If it happens to be in season when it happens, that way at least you get to keep the hide. Edited August 19, 2016 by Netpackrat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've heard that in Oregon its happened a not insignificant number of times that someone has killed a Black Bear attacking them using their .380 CCP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 9mm can do some real dammage as it's known for overpenetration. But it still wouldn't be my first choice for grizzly, unless it's from an UZI with a 16" barrel. I could easily see it doing a pinball game in a bear's ribcage after what I've seen it do to a whitetail. Overpenetration is relative to two legged deer without armor, with FMJ. That's good for around 20" in gel, but bears have denser tissue and heavy hide and bones. There just aren't a lot of guarantees. I'd rather have a 9mm than a weaker caliber and rather than a revolver with only a few shots of slightly more penetration, but I think a baby glock 10mm has it's merit for this kind of role. Try JHP. The shot I took at 35 yards went through to the opposite leg bone and shattered it, then bounced hitting heart and lungs, through the liver, through the stomach, and stopped somewhere in the intestines. The stomach was full of matted grass, and had a nickel sized hole punched through it. All that with 380 ft/lbs from a M11/9. It probably would have exited if it was from the 16" UZI barrel. Edited August 20, 2016 by Capt Nemo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 A guide carrying a 9mm? Huh, Larry and his wife might want to consider hiring someone else for the next trip. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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