Patriot12

Great pictures!!! Did you make this work on your first attempt??

Saiga Modification skill level rating scale, what a wonderful idea Count me in

LOL!! An ATF agent corrects Crusader on his grammer before taking his guns This forum rocks

OK so I guess I'm allowed to talk once again. Yes, lets make this a sticky. A Saiga 12 upgrade level of difficulty rating scheme. What a wonderful idea. You are so smart Crusader. Happy now?

I want to say 3-gun competitions, but I don't think that these are limited to saiga 12s. Why do you ask? I ask this question because if a competition or sporting event exsist that were limited to Saiga 12s, the Saiga 12 would then be a "sporting purpose" shotgun according to the ATF study. If you read the study closely, they don't recognize plinking because any gun can be used for plinking. They are on the fence reguarding tacticle shooting, but even if they do recognize tacticle shooting they can still argue that you can do this with other shotguns. However, is a unique shooting competiti

I want to say 3-gun competitions, but I don't think that these are limited to saiga 12s. Why do you ask?

Good comments. I too gave you a +1 on both the HR308 and S32 comments. Yours is the hightest ranked comment for the S32 bill feedback.

Done, thanks for the links I voted and left a few comments. Thanks again for the link!!

Thanks for the links!! I voted and made comments so our voice has been multiplied!! I also copied this to other forms. Let us drown out the tyrants with the sound of our collective voice!!!

Do you have a fix to get them to honor their warrenty? Patriot12, You could try to boil some water, put a cork on a fork and cram it up you ass! Crusader, that is uncalled for. If you have a personnal beef with me then take it to the fight club forum. These personal attacks are destracting from serious discussions.

Do you have a fix to get them to honor their warrenty?

If you know where to find parts, please post your sources here! http://www.avtomats-in-action.com http://www.saiga.gr/D07B97BF.en.aspx Great find. Good work. Wonderful, you won Patriot12's approval. If he is happy, everyone is happy. Crusader, what the hell is your problem, must every thread be a fight club thread?

I contacted the manufacturer before starting this thread and have been given the run around.

If you know where to find parts, please post your sources here! http://www.avtomats-in-action.com http://www.saiga.gr/D07B97BF.en.aspx Great find. Good work.

+1. Patriot12, if you have a beef with promag take it up with them. Leave messages if you have to, but to trash them over the net is just low. They are not here to defend themselves. Thats right they are not here to defend themselve because promag is not a member of this community! If they were, I am sure they would produce a better product and not hide from warrenty obligations.

If he used their mags, I think they would be pretty safe, LOL! Maybe. I think Patriot got a bad batch ... These are no worse than the norm that I have been hearing. I just figued that instead of spending time tring to fix all those mags, I would take advantage of their warrenty and let them do the cork up the ass and everything else you got to do to get them to work. So far, I have been getting the run around. They could at least give me a refund so that I could buy 6 good surefire mags.

I sent my promags back last week to take advantage of their so called life time warrenty and so far have been getting the run around. They admit to recieving the package, but the person who answers the phone keeps telling me that their tech will call me back with the status. Ofcourse I hear nothing and every time I call, I get the same answer. I am getting the feeling that I would have been better just selling them.

Thanks for those recommedations, when I eventually do fire the weapon, I'll know if I need them. I'm thinking the hammerspring is a definate no-go. You fellows better get it right. A reduced power hammer spring will lead to light strikes / failure to fire. You are talking about a reduced power recoil spring, I believe. Nope, 25% reduced hammer spring from CSS and it will not lead to light strikes/ failure to fire.

I did convert mine, but did not have too big of issue with the factory set up. In it's original form, it still feels better than most pump action shotguns. You can still get a GUNFIXER plug, KA puck, and 25% reduced hammerspring to increase performance without changing the sporting appearance.

Yes, it comes with detailed instructions. Always start at -1 and work your way up to avoid over gassing. The plug both restricts more gas than the factory plug and focusses for more gas depending on the setting.

If you cut your 12rd surefire to 8rds it will work best. You will notice even stiffer spring tension because the spring stays the same. A 8rd surefire mag will cycle any ammo available.

Yes, get 8rd surefire mags. Save time and headach. Even money in the long run.

I would have got my ass chewed for putting something like that on my weapon in Iraq. I was just a regular Marine grunt though. I'm sure the Spec Ops guys could get away with it. Every once in a while in Iraq you'd see somebody with a rifle that was all digi camo'd. I did know one guy that got away with painting flames on the barrel and skulls on the receiver of a M240G. It was in the turret of Humvee and he was just lucky nobody important saw it. So when I say I couldn't do that in Iraq, it's not that I didn't want to. Marines will personalize anything just because uniformity gets old.

I have to agree with Gothchick. Great art work, but you are going to run into trouble with your Command Sergeant Major or 1SG. I would definately make it look more professional. Just keep IAW your Unit SOP or TACSOP and you won't have any problems. Remember -10, -20 is the Standard.

Most likely yes. The 25% reduced hammer spring is icing on the cake. It reduces trigger pull and the resistance on the bolt carrier. It is not hard to put in and once you do you won't know how you were able to live without it. The reduced recoil spring is for light loads only don't confuse the 25% hammer spring with reduced recoil spring, they are not the same.