rwsackett 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Pretty cool! Inside the Ring By Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough February 9, 2007 Snipers in Iraq U.S. intelligence agencies have built their own version of the famous Russian-designed AK-47 assault rifle for use by American snipers in Iraq. The snipers are firing at one form of deadly insurgent and terrorist attack, the so-called "spray and pray" method used by those who try to sow terror by emerging from hiding and firing a machine gun randomly into crowds. The special U.S. snipers have used .50-caliber long-range rifles for killing terrorists. Now, they are using the modified AK-47s to kill insurgents without a normal shot to the head. Instead, snipers are killing insurgents with shots to the heart, and creating dissension and doubt in the groups over who is behind the sniping. The 7.62 mm round used by the AK-47 differs from the 7.62 mm sniper round used in normal U.S. sniper ammunition and creates a different wound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgillaspy 24 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Hurray for Psyops!!! I played that game in the active army reserves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aurbis 1 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 In what way are they modified to become good rifles for sniping? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
will36 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 In what way are they modified to become good rifles for sniping? those media retards are probally talking about Dragunovs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fbodyreefer 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 LOL I think your right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crosshair 1 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 In what way are they modified to become good rifles for sniping? *Looks in gunsafe* Nope, mine is still here. /accurate out to 300 yards. //Only because that is as far as the range goes. ///Getting a membership to a larger range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't quite see why you'd bother to accurise an AK47, nor why americans would use a Dragunov? I love both rifles, but I simply don't get the point... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I simply don't get the point... Nothing new there. Re-read the original story it's all there. If you're still confused re-read Ax-Man's post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 And are they being serious? Are snipers really using 50cal rounds in an urban setting? A headshot with a 50cal would be like a watermelon and a pound of TNT. Not to mention the collateral damage that would be caused... Can anyone confirm that they're using the 50cal as anti-personel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 they have been using 50bmg rounds since the first iraq war to kill the heathen enemy. check the internet. there are pictures floating around of what it does to human flesh. I think rotten.com has one of a headshot. we ahve also been using AKM type weapons over there since 9/11. I got into shit with people here over it about a year or so ago, and yet when I post pictures SHOWING this, and post what people have TOLD me that are OVER there, I still dont seem to know what I am talking about. yet here is ANOTHER article saying so. I think it makes perfect sense to set our boys up "undercover" with like weapons and wait for the dirty heathens to surface and then shoot them with obviously the same weapon they have, just to put in thier minds that they never know who it is. Im sure the iraqi public in general is more than tired of the bullshit by now and welcomes this type of action. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I simply don't get the point... Nothing new there. Re-read the original story it's all there. If you're still confused re-read Ax-Man's post. I get what they're saying, smartass, but I'm doubting if it is worth the effort, the training, the investment, etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 they have been using 50bmg rounds since the first iraq war to kill the heathen enemy. check the internet. there are pictures floating around of what it does to human flesh. I think rotten.com has one of a headshot. That's an overkill. Why not use a .300ultramag or something similar? .50bmg just seems hardcore overkill I think it makes perfect sense to set our boys up "undercover" with like weapons and wait for the dirty heathens to surface and then shoot them with obviously the same weapon they have, just to put in thier minds that they never know who it is. Im sure the iraqi public in general is more than tired of the bullshit by now and welcomes this type of action. I agree. There's no point in being "nice" in wars. Fear, terror, dissention, these are good things in enemies. Sux how we have to play by the UN's rules whereas our enemies don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I simply don't get the point... Nothing new there. Re-read the original story it's all there. If you're still confused re-read Ax-Man's post. I get what they're saying, smartass, but I'm doubting if it is worth the effort, the training, the investment, etc... I'm doubting that anyone gives half a fuck what you think about our military and it's tactics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 aegis - maybe you have heard of the world record kill in afghanistan by a canadian sniper team using a 50bmg. the actual distance is classified, but it was over 2000 yards. you cant do that or take the enemy through a wall 100% of the time with any other round, I dont think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 aegis - maybe you have heard of the world record kill in afghanistan by a canadian sniper team using a 50bmg. the actual distance is classified, but it was over 2000 yards. you cant do that or take the enemy through a wall 100% of the time with any other round, I dont think. holy hell. that's rediculous (and awesome). i guess there are a lot of advantages to the 50bmg, and it's probably a cheaper round than the .300s anyway (economy of scale). i'd just worry that one round would go through multple targets including civvies, but the 50 is the best combo of power and precision, so maybe good snipers can control it. thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 50 cal in an urban setting? Damn skippy. When the asshole ducks beside the window-shoot his ass throudh the masonry wall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 It shouldn't be hard to make an accurized AK, especially if you're only looking to do precision shooting inside 300 yards. The biggest disadvantage for the AK regarding accuracy is the lack of quality ammo. When I had a Saiga in 7.62x39, we could watch the groups change sizes just by using ammo from a different country/manufacturer. We had alot of Chinese surplus that did about 1 foot at fifty yards. Switch to some left-over Lapua, and every shot was right where I put the sights. Start with a milled receiver, add a quality rotary forged barrel, make sure the handguard doesn't contact the barrel, perform a trigger-job, and load with match ammo. PSOP scopes should easily be up to the task. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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