jh664322 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I am interested in getting a folding stock for my Saiga x39. I do not like the t-6 stocks or the tapco side folder, not at all. I like the looks of the ACE stocks or Tromix, but I can't justify the extra expense of the Tromix. I was looking here http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...da2bfbab1702c28 But I noticed in the picture that the stock mounting block sticks out past the receiver. I have seen the ACE stock mounted so that this block appears inside the receiver. Where can I get that setup? Also, who has the cheapest prices? I looked at Blackjack buffers and they have a ton of ACE stocks and Im not sure which one would be the right one. What are the pros and cons of a folding stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) But I noticed in the picture that the stock mounting block sticks out past the receiver. I have seen the ACE stock mounted so that this block appears inside the receiver. Where can I get that setup? What are the pros and cons of a folding stock? This is the one you're looking for: http://riflestocks.com/AKStampedModsRequired.htm With a quality side folding stock, there are no cons. Ace is quality. Solid lockup, no buttons involved, if you want right- or left-hand fold, you can easily change it. Edited January 8, 2008 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jh664322 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 But I noticed in the picture that the stock mounting block sticks out past the receiver. I have seen the ACE stock mounted so that this block appears inside the receiver. Where can I get that setup? What are the pros and cons of a folding stock? This is the one you're looking for: http://riflestocks.com/AKStampedModsRequired.htm With a quality side folding stock, there are no cons. Ace is quality. Solid lockup, no buttons involved, if you want right- or left-hand fold, you can easily change it. Great. So all that would be required is http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...products_id=351 and the internal block you listed? What about screws to bolt them together? How much shorter is this setup than the stock sporter config? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Great. So all that would be required is http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...products_id=351 and the internal block you listed? What about screws to bolt them together? How much shorter is this setup than the stock sporter config? The screws to fasten it all together should be packaged with the parts. Not real sure I can answer the length question because I don't know the stock length they're using in that package. It should be at least 1.5" shorter than the factory buttstock, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 i didhe mid length ace stock you can choose short is like 9" med is 10" long 11" i went with 10 and its about an 1 1/2" -2" shorter than it was before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jh664322 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Good info, Ive got all the info I need now. Since I was on the ACE site, has anyone seen an AK with the socom types of stocks....something like this http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...products_id=305 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Nothing wrong with the ACE stock, thats for sure. I like the folder mainly for how small it stores. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ripper225 0 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) how would a sling be mounted on that folder with the internal receiver? there's no swivels... would one need to use that gap in the folder (in red)? Edited January 10, 2008 by ripper225 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 they have a threaded spot to put the mount on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 just + the pic a few times to see closer i minimised it somehow im computer retarded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cut That Tang Off!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cut That Tang Off!! Why? It works just fine with the tang, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cut That Tang Off!! Why? It works just fine with the tang, too. nice toy where did you get it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cut That Tang Off!! Why? It works just fine with the tang, too. nice toy where did you get it Not mine, I'm just keeping you guys thinking outside the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ripper225 0 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ahhh perfect! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Also wanted to say that if you keep the tang, you can use a beryl style rail. With no tang, there's no way to lock down the rear of the rail. Edited January 10, 2008 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Combat Medic 5 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Nalioth do all the Beryl style rails have the ability to hinge like that? or is it just locked down completely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Nalioth do all the Beryl style rails have the ability to hinge like that? or is it just locked down completely? A beryl style rail that follows the Polish example should hinge at the rear sight block. Depending the design of the particular rail, different methods are used at the rear tang for locking it in place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jh664322 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 ACE stocks are out of stock from ACE.... Aside from cool sight mounts, is there any reason to keep the tang? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 if you are in Michigan, you need your weapon to be 30 inches in it's shortest confg. so, unless your gonna have a permanent muzzle device, go with the external block. that will keep you in the 30" range vs. 29" without the tang... FWIW... Edit to add. the sizes above are from my experiences with s Saiga 12 not an x39. Same law applies in Michigan either way.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Aside from cool sight mounts, is there any reason to keep the tang? Aside from the beryl rail, the only other reason I can think of would be if you wanted to go back to a regular AK fixed stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jh664322 0 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Anyone know when ace stocks will be back in? In my state, the size is fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 no idea i have one on order but hasnt come yet hopefully soon. ace is holding up my project Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saxony 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 But I noticed in the picture that the stock mounting block sticks out past the receiver. I have seen the ACE stock mounted so that this block appears inside the receiver. Where can I get that setup? What are the pros and cons of a folding stock? This is the one you're looking for: http://riflestocks.com/AKStampedModsRequired.htm With a quality side folding stock, there are no cons. Ace is quality. Solid lockup, no buttons involved, if you want right- or left-hand fold, you can easily change it. Please don't through tomatoes at the newb here but I am pulling my hair out finding this exact type of side-folder (ACE skeleton Item# AKFX-FS) for my Saiga 12. Let me ask, can this ACE receiver block be adapted to a Saiga 12? I have an extremely talented gunsmith who is fully capable of wild mods but I wanted to make sure it was even possible or worthwhile before I blow over $150. My gunsmith was not familiar with this particular ACE receiver block and that's what brings me here for my very first post. Thanks in advance for any of you comrades willing to help out a happy new owner of a Saiga 12. I still love my Polytech paratrooper X39, but the Saiga 12 is a beautiful beast. Just a little too long and clumsy of a beat presently. Hence why I want to make it as small and mobile as legally possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akwatercraft 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 with all the competent and reliable vendors on this site it is really hard to justify the you will get it some day maybe attitude at ace. i put in a order waited 2 weeks thinking it would show up any day ( ace refuses to provide tracking info) then emailed and a week later was emailed back saying it was on back order. 5 weeks after that i called and was told it is on back order and there is no way to tell when it may show up. i don't care if you have the best product in the world if you cant say when you will deliver. i did the full conversion with parts from dph and dinzag. no bullshit they delivered when they said they would and if there was a problem they said so,,, not to much to ask for. dph also warrantied a part i had a problem with with no dicking around. that is the type treatment that wins loyal customers and is one of the greatest advantages of this forum,,, at least to me. dph and dinzag ROCK,, ace can kiss my grits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saxony 0 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 with all the competent and reliable vendors on this site it is really hard to justify the you will get it some day maybe attitude at ace. i put in a order waited 2 weeks thinking it would show up any day ( ace refuses to provide tracking info) then emailed and a week later was emailed back saying it was on back order. 5 weeks after that i called and was told it is on back order and there is no way to tell when it may show up. i don't care if you have the best product in the world if you cant say when you will deliver. i did the full conversion with parts from dph and dinzag. no bullshit they delivered when they said they would and if there was a problem they said so,,, not to much to ask for. dph also warrantied a part i had a problem with with no dicking around. that is the type treatment that wins loyal customers and is one of the greatest advantages of this forum,,, at least to me. dph and dinzag ROCK,, ace can kiss my grits Thanks for the tips my friend but I am still frustrated because I cannot seem to find the parts even on those sites to make my stock Saiga-12 look like the following photo: I have a gunsmith waiting on me to scrounge the parts together and man, what a disaster it has been. I simply want the gun reduced in size a bit for more mobility and home defense. Presently my stock Saiga-12 looks like a damned fishing pole. LOL. I guess I am a bit spoiled because my primary shooter is a Polytech Paratrooper. And I hate Tapco AR-15 style stocks on a Russian style gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jailbait 2 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 with all the competent and reliable vendors on this site it is really hard to justify the you will get it some day maybe attitude at ace. i put in a order waited 2 weeks thinking it would show up any day ( ace refuses to provide tracking info) then emailed and a week later was emailed back saying it was on back order. 5 weeks after that i called and was told it is on back order and there is no way to tell when it may show up. i don't care if you have the best product in the world if you cant say when you will deliver. i did the full conversion with parts from dph and dinzag. no bullshit they delivered when they said they would and if there was a problem they said so,,, not to much to ask for. dph also warrantied a part i had a problem with with no dicking around. that is the type treatment that wins loyal customers and is one of the greatest advantages of this forum,,, at least to me. dph and dinzag ROCK,, ace can kiss my grits Thanks for the tips my friend but I am still frustrated because I cannot seem to find the parts even on those sites to make my stock Saiga-12 look like the following photo: I have a gunsmith waiting on me to scrounge the parts together and man, what a disaster it has been. I simply want the gun reduced in size a bit for more mobility and home defense. Presently my stock Saiga-12 looks like a damned fishing pole. LOL. I guess I am a bit spoiled because my primary shooter is a Polytech Paratrooper. And I hate Tapco AR-15 style stocks on a Russian style gun. if you want it to look like that..... www.k-var.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armorshrike 1 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Try http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...TURE/Categories also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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