Leo.Kermes 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 nato on top warsaw bottom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Tapco top Kvar bottom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Tapco vs Kvar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Guess Warsaw folks are little people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYC.DenseCity 0 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 who sells the nato stock on top? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 who sells the nato stock on top? K-Var Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Guess Warsaw folks are little people. I find that the police like the warsaw kvar stock for when they are in body armor. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ClickClickD'oh 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Guess Warsaw folks are little people. It's all about how the weapons are employeed. Nato rifles are fired accross the body. Warsaw are fired perpendicular to the body. Try it if you have both weapons. For an M-16 standing engagement you would stand at or more than a 45 degree angle to your target and bring the rifle to your shoulder. An AK, you are very close to being squared up to your target then bring the rifle to your shoulder. If you can dig up old videos you can clearly see the different shooting styles being used. The best though are to watch videos of American soliders using soviet weapons on training ranges, since they shoot them American style (cross body) most often. Then flip over to a Soviet military video and you will see the same weapon employeed almost straight away from the body. Of course, doctorine has change a lot since both weapons were designed so now you see a lot of adjustable pull lenght stocks to accomodate different shooting styples and equipment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Which of the two has the cleaning kit compartment? I assume the K-var. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Which of the two has the cleaning kit compartment? I assume the K-var. Must be. I have the Tapco, and there isn't a compartment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TackDriver 1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 My Tapco collapseable has the cleaning kit compartment. I wonder why they chose to exclude it on the fixed stock? That would be a prerequisite for me when buying an AK stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 My Tapco collapseable has the cleaning kit compartment. I wonder why they chose to exclude it on the fixed stock? That would be a prerequisite for me when buying an AK stock. I don't know. I think I made a mistake all around with getting the Tapco. For the fact of no kit compartment, and it's too short for me. I shoulda went with a Nato length stock . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Isn't it nice to have a photo showing the differences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Isn't it nice to have a photo showing the differences. Yeah, hopefully it will help someone in ordering the correct one. I knew which was longer, and which was shorter. But I should have measured the factory stock before ordering the Tapco to give me an idea of what I needed, because that fit me pretty good. Ah well, live and learn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oak 3 Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I think the K-Var is better quality and since I'm 6'2", I like the NATO. It looks great on myAK-104 conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupacabrah 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 How well made is the k-var compared to the tapco? I have the tapco, and i really like the length (and I am 6'2"). Just quality-wise, what are the differences? the tapco one feels pretty sturdy. oh, and what are the total measured lengths of the warsaw and nato stocks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 How well made is the k-var compared to the tapco? I have the tapco, and i really like the length (and I am 6'2"). Just quality-wise, what are the differences? the tapco one feels pretty sturdy. oh, and what are the total measured lengths of the warsaw and nato stocks The kvar sock is considerably stronger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mini14jac 1 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 My Tapco collapseable has the cleaning kit compartment. I wonder why they chose to exclude it on the fixed stock? That would be a prerequisite for me when buying an AK stock. Tapco is really good about returns. Give them a call. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupacabrah 0 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The kvar sock is considerably stronger. hmm. Kinda wish I'd seen this before I did my conversion.... oh well! I guess now I know for my next one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vultite 57 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 i prefer warsaw and kvar for size and looks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The kvar sock is considerably stronger. hmm. Kinda wish I'd seen this before I did my conversion.... oh well! I guess now I know for my next one Tapco isn't bad, it is also considerable cheaper in cost from my end. The tapco is fine for range gun. I just wouldn't use the stock to strike someone. I just wished tapco made a nato Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I have NATO length K-var on my x39 and S-12 they work fine for me. The reason Warsaw Pact stocks are so short is the troops usually have heavy coats on and a regular stock would be too long. Hence if your not fighting in Siberia or the Russian Front go with a Nato! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reoiv 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 The KVAR stocks are tough as hell. I have one on my Saiga12 and it could easily be used as a club on someone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 The KVAR stocks are tough as hell. I have one on my Saiga12 and it could easily be used as a club on someone. I second the above post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REXLIBRIS 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Guess Warsaw folks are little people. It's all about how the weapons are employeed. Nato rifles are fired accross the body. Warsaw are fired perpendicular to the body. Try it if you have both weapons. For an M-16 standing engagement you would stand at or more than a 45 degree angle to your target and bring the rifle to your shoulder. An AK, you are very close to being squared up to your target then bring the rifle to your shoulder. If you can dig up old videos you can clearly see the different shooting styles being used. The best though are to watch videos of American soliders using soviet weapons on training ranges, since they shoot them American style (cross body) most often. Then flip over to a Soviet military video and you will see the same weapon employeed almost straight away from the body. Of course, doctorine has change a lot since both weapons were designed so now you see a lot of adjustable pull lenght stocks to accomodate different shooting styples and equipment. Congratulations on FAL purchase. I have a DSA G1 and it is pure beauty and function! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schadenfreude 2 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Looks like the Kvar Nato length is back in stock. Kvar Nato Stock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schadenfreude 2 Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Holy crap I'm glad I got the Nato length stock......... because even the Nato is short as hell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedneckFur 0 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I really like that NATO stock, but i see that the sling swivel is on the right-handed shooters side. Is there any way I can move it to the bottom of the stock, or to the left hand side? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrTuffPaws 2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 5'=11' and I have the Tapco. Short enough that I have to change my shooting style or I take a plunger to the nose. As for toughness, if the K-var is tougher than the Tapco, it must be built like a rock. You could hammer in nails with the Tapco stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I put a grind to fit limbsaver on the back of my tapco stock and the additional length makes the gun much more comfortable to shoot. The reduced recoil is nice too. It takes a little more effort to draw it up to my shoulder though. That was one nice thing about the Tapco length was it's maneuverability. The recoil pad is so soft it tends to stick a little bit to clothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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