bcelliott 6 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 I know this is a newb question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find the information... I want to cut the tang, install an internal ACE block and pignose adaptor, an Enidine buffer, and a Vltor club foot AR telescoping stock on my converted S12. What is involved in this process? Does cutting the tang just mean whacking it off flush with the receiver? And if I do this, does the ACE block fit right in without any other modifications? Thanks for the help! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avatar 4 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Wack the tang flush with the reciever. The block will need a little dremel work to fit it in around the trunion. No rocket science involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NSR500 2 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Yup, you just cut flush and fit the Ace block to the receiver. Remember the Golden Rule; "Measure twice, Cut once" and you'll be okay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1911freak 0 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Yup, you just cut flush and fit the Ace block to the receiver. Remember the Golden Rule; "Measure twice, Cut once" and you'll be okay. Another newb question. Exactly which ACE block would that be? They have several AK variants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcelliott 6 Posted December 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Thanks for the help. Here are the ACE links... The internal block: http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...9e16eff97c8101f the pignose adaptor: http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...products_id=311 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaywalker 1 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 The tang should be cut off flush with the receiver. Do this with a dremel and an abrasive cut-off disc. Leave it a little long and finish it in with a file. As for the ACE internal receiver block, there is a little trimming to do. Not all AK type Receivers are exactly the same. For this reason you will have to trim the two areas that I have marked in the photo. These two surfaces will occlude with the underside of the rear trunnion. Use a file. File and fit, file and fit... until the ACE part slides all the way in. Don't trim too much because you want the block to butt up against the trunnion. This will help ensure that there will be little to no wiggle in block. It's not hard. Just get a large smooth bastard file. Hope this helps. Shoot me a message if you get stuck or run into problems. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 I know this is a newb question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find the information... I want to cut the tang, install an internal ACE block and pignose adaptor, an Enidine buffer, and a Vltor club foot AR telescoping stock on my converted S12. What is involved in this process? Does cutting the tang just mean whacking it off flush with the receiver? And if I do this, does the ACE block fit right in without any other modifications? Thanks for the help! If you get the CAA AK 6-POS Stock you don't need to cut anything. I have it on my wife's AK and the thing is SOLID. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NSR500 2 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 I believe that bcelliott is choosing this route because he wants to use an Enidine Buffer. It is an AR type buffer tube that is a hydraulic/pneumatic buffer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcelliott 6 Posted December 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Thanks for the detail, jaywalker--that's really helpful. Lokmeup, I would love to make everything simple by using the CAA, but as NSR500 said, I want to use the Enidine to help in rapid fire controllability with buckshot/slugs. I only wish Enidine made a buffer with a built-in block like the CAA! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ERG80 0 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 This thread has info and pics of the install. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=32256 They recommend trimming the receiver more than just cutting the tang because the stock will be angled up. Is that only an issue with the Tromix stock of will it also angle the AR stock? I believe that bcelliott is choosing this route because he wants to use an Enidine Buffer. It is an AR type buffer tube that is a hydraulic/pneumatic buffer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcelliott 6 Posted December 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Thanks for the link, ERG80. I've heard that the ACE block has the correct angle now (old models didn't) so stocks won't be angled up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdeitch 32 Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 (edited) If you have made the decision to go the cutting route, make sure to check out all the adapters ACE makes. There is even a folding option (AKRBC-M4-FSM) that would work with the enidine tube if that is something you are interested in. The EMOD stock may be to thick to allow the stock to fold completely flat though. As viewed from above: Here's the link: http://www.aceltdusa.com/ak_print.htm Keep us all posted. Edited December 25, 2008 by JeffD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichrome 1 Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 I know this is a newb question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find the information... I want to cut the tang, install an internal ACE block and pignose adaptor, an Enidine buffer, and a Vltor club foot AR telescoping stock on my converted S12. What is involved in this process? Does cutting the tang just mean whacking it off flush with the receiver? And if I do this, does the ACE block fit right in without any other modifications? Thanks for the help! If you get the CAA AK 6-POS Stock you don't need to cut anything. I have it on my wife's AK and the thing is SOLID. does this stock fit saiga 12 and if so does it correct reciever angle??........ pics of it on gun would be sweet!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 you can get it from css as just the tube and put whatever stock you want on it...i have a magpul on mine. It's great and no tang cutting. If you're looking for a folder, you're better off with the ace, but if you want an ar stock this is a strong and much cheaper alternative. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-348/ctr-magpul-saiga-ak47/Detail this is a picture of the caa "tube" with a magpul stock. You'll notice it has two sling mounting points. The tang is used to mount the stock, it fits inside an indentation in the tube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rangerfan1423 2 Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 How durable is the CAA?...I would like to convert my Saiga with a telescoping stock to replicate my AR for easy transition but am worried about the durability. I also noticed that E-Tac has a AR adapter for the Saiga which seems more durable and a much cleaner look when done but also requires much more work. Any body have experience with the E-Tac adapter or know much about it?...I sent E-Tac an email about the adapter but havnt heard back yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 the command arms buffer tube is a perfect fit, very sturdy. I think vltor makes something similar as well. Any thing from caa is top notch though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichrome 1 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 does this stock correct reciever angle?/??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 yes, click to see what it looks like installed... http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/images/2359391.JPG This is the picture greg uses to show the difference between converted an non converted saigas, but you can see the angle is fixed. It has the caa tube and a magpul stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 The tang should be cut off flush with the receiver. Do this with a dremel and an abrasive cut-off disc. Leave it a little long and finish it in with a file. As for the ACE internal receiver block, there is a little trimming to do. Not all AK type Receivers are exactly the same. For this reason you will have to trim the two areas that I have marked in the photo. These two surfaces will occlude with the underside of the rear trunnion. Use a file. File and fit, file and fit... until the ACE part slides all the way in. Don't trim too much because you want the block to butt up against the trunnion. This will help ensure that there will be little to no wiggle in block. It's not hard. Just get a large smooth bastard file. Hope this helps. Shoot me a message if you get stuck or run into problems. ^ This. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I used one of these It came out pretty clean, just take a file to what's left and clean it up a little. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichrome 1 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) you can get it from css as just the tube and put whatever stock you want on it...i have a magpul on mine. It's great and no tang cutting. If you're looking for a folder, you're better off with the ace, but if you want an ar stock this is a strong and much cheaper alternative. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-348/ctr-magpul-saiga-ak47/Detail this is a picture of the caa "tube" with a magpul stock. You'll notice it has two sling mounting points. The tang is used to mount the stock, it fits inside an indentation in the tube. thanks k. this looks like a nice set up,any chance of a pic with stock in shortest position? i guess what im trying to figure out is how long (or short rather....) is it when fully collapsed.cant seem to find this info anywhere Edited November 30, 2009 by the dude Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichrome 1 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 this might seem like a dumb question but...does the caa tube actually act as a mechanical recoil buffer or is it just so named after the ones that do? sorry for the newb question Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 It doesn't absorb the recoil if that's what you're asking...It's just the tube and the stock. Once set at whatever position it's rock solid like a standard fixed stock. To be honest though i wouldn't want a recoil reducing stock because i don't want to risk the action short stroking on me. For the guy who asked about the length of the thing at it's shortest position...the stock will stop slightly past the tang, so about 1" of the tube will be showing. It'll put your cheek right up on the dust cover. Depending on what stock you buy you may be closer or farther away. If you get the Modstock or whatever it's called by vltor it'll be slightly longer than the magpul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichrome 1 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 thanks for the info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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