mike12345 18 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) Well here is my beautiful 8in tromix SBS. In time for christmas, thanks tony! This was the best thing under the tree! Here is my own 11in conversion. It runs 100% with the gas ports drilled out to .082 Thats not much larger then the .073 gas ports that were on the standard 18in conversion. They both kick ass but they are flame throwers at night. The 8in sits on my nightstand from now on. I see some door breaching in the future for these two. Edited December 29, 2008 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Nice collection there, Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eseaton 2 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Very nice weapons. You did a great job on your conversion. Can you describe makers and models of parts used, especially stocks and forearms? By the way, I have been reading about some Saiga 12's that seem to have left the factory with only two gas ports. Can you advise me how to see (where to look to find) the gas ports? I want to do a Form 1 SBS build with a trust and might consider doing the work myself if I knew more about enlarging the ports, etc. Thanks for the help. eseaton Well here is my beautiful 8in tromix SBS. In time for christmas, thanks tony! This was the best thing under the tree! Here is my own 11in conversion. It runs 100% with the gas ports drilled out to .082 Thats not much larger then the .073 gas ports that were on the standard 18in conversion. They both kick ass but they are flame throwers at night. The 8in sits on my nightstand from now on. I see some door breaching in the future for these two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) You just unscrew the gas regulator in the front and look inside, you can see the gas ports on top of the barrel. You have to remove the gas block to drill them. The buffer tube was viltor I believe, I got it a long time ago. The stocks are CTR magpul. The rest of the gun was a tromix 18in conversion that I chopped to 11in. Edited December 29, 2008 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaywalker 1 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Nice scatter guns for sure. I like the eleven inch. I just got my ten inch from Tromix. Haven't shot it yet. Still waiting on paperwork. Does the muzzle blast curl back around and torch your hand?, or is that just a special treat from the eight inch? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) once in a while I feel the heat on my hand with the 8in. It was enough to make me think "Oh shit" but diden't hurt. I don't think you'll have that with a 10in because my 11 dosen't do it. I find the 11in is smoother operating, maybe because of the longer piston? Edited December 29, 2008 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eseaton 2 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 You just unscrew the gas regulator in the front and look inside, you can see the gas ports on top of the barrel. You have to remove the gas block to drill them. The buffer tube was viltor I believe, I got it a long time ago. The stocks are CTR magpul. The rest of the gun was a tromix 18in conversion that I chopped to 11in. So are you saying the Viltor tube bolts directly to the frame with or without special adaptors? Then will any AR15 style tube fit and still fold? Sorry for the "newbie" type questions but I am relatively new to the Saiga 12. I have one and am ready to convert. I want a folder but I especially like the look of yours. Thanks again for the further info. eseaton Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakko 10 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 To use the AR stocks (regardless of type), you're going to have to modify your existing rear trunion and use an adapter. http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=137 then http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=208 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eseaton 2 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 That would explain the 11" SBS stocks but what are the folding stocks on the 8" version? eseaton To use the AR stocks (regardless of type), you're going to have to modify your existing rear trunion and use an adapter. http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=137 then http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=208 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakko 10 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Why would barrel length make a difference in the stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Both guns appear in the pics to have the same stock. The difference is that the 8" gun also has an ACE folding mechanism installed, allowing it to side fold as well as telescope in and out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) hey gunfixr, I dont know if you saw them or not but im running two of your gas plugs on these builds. They both work great but needed a hole drilled through it so I can remove them. The 8in got enough crap on it in 3 mags that it coulden't be removed by hand. Edited December 29, 2008 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eseaton 2 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Both guns appear in the pics to have the same stock. The difference is that the 8" gun also has an ACE folding mechanism installed, allowing it to side fold as well as telescope in and out. Thanks Gunfixr for the explanation. Now I know what I am looking for. eseaton Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) That would explain the 11" SBS stocks but what are the folding stocks on the 8" version? eseaton the stocks/optics were my additions. Its an Ace side folding mech with car stock adaptor. You can order one from ace. The buffer tube, locking ring and plate you can buy anywhere. The stock is a magpul CTR. I was supose to be going to Iraq I wasent even supose to be here for christmas but I will be headed to afghanistan in a few days which will be fun... I diden't have time to get a 5320.20 done I wanted to take one with. Edited December 30, 2008 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Well here is my beautiful 8in tromix SBS. In time for christmas, thanks tony! This was the best thing under the tree! Here is my own 11in conversion. It runs 100% with the gas ports drilled out to .082 Thats not much larger then the .073 gas ports that were on the standard 18in conversion. They both kick ass but they are flame throwers at night. The 8in sits on my nightstand from now on. I see some door breaching in the future for these two. What is the exact name for that pistol grip? That is the one I want. I like how there are molded finger grips. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 What is the exact name for that pistol grip? That is the one I want. I like how there are molded finger grips. http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=153&cID=11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 How does this pistol grip attach to the gun? Does it slip over another grip... or does it bolt onto it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliberclark 9 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 the pics do not come up for me? it says they have been deleted help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=153&cID=11 its the first pistol grip at the top of the page... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GLOCKshooter 1 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I was thinking about the CTR but didn't think it would fold well with the extra wide comb. Does it fold parallel, or at a bit of an angle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I was thinking about the CTR but didn't think it would fold well with the extra wide comb. Does it fold parallel, or at a bit of an angle? What exactly is this CTR? and what is a wide comb? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 What exactly is this CTR? and what is a wide comb? Magpul CTR rifle stock. The comb is the ridge on top where you lay your cheek. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirkenstien 2 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 What exactly is this CTR? and what is a wide comb? Magpul CTR rifle stock. The comb is the ridge on top where you lay your cheek. If a tromix stock were already installed would it be feasible to switch from a tromix stock to a CTR stock or is that something that must be performed during the SBS conversion process of a gun? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Once the gun is converted for a Tromix stock, the Ace "AR pignose" adapter can be used to bolt on any AR stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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