lipadj46 2 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I just installed the RAA Skeleton Dragonuv style stock on my Saiga 12 and must admit it is a pretty quality piece. I was not sure what to expect but for $70 I was hoping it would be a nice solid piece. It is and then some much better than the stock buttstock. The plus is when I mount the Kobra red dot I am getting next week it has a built in comb riser. So here is some late night gratuitous gun porn (I know it's not a slick conversion but I will get there). Oh yeah I forgot to mention man those russians really want to make sure that stock stays put, the original had to be knocked out with a hammer and the new stock had to be pounded in. A little sanding probably would have helped but I wanted a tight fit. Oh yeah also that little cheek pad rotates around so it can be used without a scope like shown or up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etpiejr 4 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Looking good ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I got the Choate from Ultimak, when I purchased my top rail... needs to be modified a bit, but nothing too crazy. High-quality & American made, you can't ask for much more. http://www.ultimak.com/CHOS-B.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 That is nice for a converted Saiga. I have a similar Bulgarian stock for when I get mine converted. They have them for $20 here: http://www.tickbitesupply.com/stocks.html Scroll down to the "AK But Stock Bulgarian" I hear it is pretty solid and for the price you can't go wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 That is nice for a converted Saiga. I have a similar Bulgarian stock for when I get mine converted. They have them for $20 here: http://www.tickbitesupply.com/stocks.html Scroll down to the "AK But Stock Bulgarian" I hear it is pretty solid and for the price you can't go wrong. Speaking of that site. Is that where everyone is actually ordering that stock from? Or just using that link to show what it looks like? I just want to know if that guy/company is good to deal with. (Anyone else find it funny that almost everything has a "hurry up, this is the last shipment" type of disclaimer underneath it? ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well I got the stock from them, the shipping was not super fast like from Gilberts but I got it. Their prices are about average but they have a pretty good selection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well I got the stock from them, the shipping was not super fast like from Gilberts but I got it. Their prices are about average but they have a pretty good selection. OK, cool. I just wanted to make sure everything is on the up-n-up with with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fenrir 0 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Speaking of that site. Is that where everyone is actually ordering that stock from? Or just using that link to show what it looks like? I just want to know if that guy/company is good to deal with. (Anyone else find it funny that almost everything has a "hurry up, this is the last shipment" type of disclaimer underneath it? ) I've used tick bite a few times for some SKS stuff. The company overall is not in any kind of hurry, might just be some dude working out of his garage for all I know, but "they" are for real Quote Link to post Share on other sites
numbnuts 1 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I've installed that RAA skeletonized stock also and like it alot. The stock sights are so small tho....I gotta add the krebs Red dot is also a good way to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fenrir 0 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I just installed the RAA Skeleton Dragonuv style stock on my Saiga 12 and must admit it is a pretty quality piece. I was not sure what to expect but for $70 I was hoping it would be a nice solid piece. It is and then some much better than the stock buttstock. The plus is when I mount the Kobra red dot I am getting next week it has a built in comb riser. So here is some late night gratuitous gun porn (I know it's not a slick conversion but I will get there). Oh yeah I forgot to mention man those russians really want to make sure that stock stays put, the original had to be knocked out with a hammer and the new stock had to be pounded in. A little sanding probably would have helped but I wanted a tight fit. Oh yeah also that little cheek pad rotates around so it can be used without a scope like shown or up. Good luck with that, I just removed mine as the grip is to small for my hand to be comfortable for more then a short time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 The factory skeleton stock is very nice if you want to keep your gun in the unconverted configuration. I have one on my dimpled, Y stamped x39 I'm keeping stock. I am installing a mercury recoil reducer in the upper tube right this minute in fact! I'm also putting one in Nummy's skeleton stock for his S-12. I'll let y'all know how that works out. I am planning on offering that as a new service in my section. I am also selling a ready to go, factory sporter butt stock with mercury recoil reducer installed inside, along with expanded foam filler, for a much less cheesy, hollow feeling butt stock with built in recoil reduction. That Bulgarian stock from Tickbite Supply is also very nice. I have one myself. Dave is a very nice guy and runs a good business. I missed him at this last gunshow. I always give him some business. His booth is the "Dave's Collectables" one. He's always got great prices and a great selection. True...it's a small family run business just like my other favorite gunshow vendor, DPH Arms. I'm all about supporting family businesses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Good luck with that, I just removed mine as the grip is to small for my hand to be comfortable for more then a short time. Yeah I thought I mentioned that as a negative but it must have been another forum. The grip is pretty much just big enough for my hands. I have bigs hands,more long than wide though, but not meat hooks. If you have bear paws yeah definitely steer clear of this stock. That is why I got the bulgarian stock but I just wanted something NY legal with a "pistol grip" until I convert. Hopefully I can get on someone's wait list. for a much less cheesy, hollow feeling butt stock with built in recoil reduction. Funny I filled mine with Great Stuff window insulation and was going to put a tube of split shot in my factory buttstock. I bought the skeleton stock before I got around to putting a tube of lead shot in the hole I made in the foam insulation. Probably would have worked out OK but the Great Stuff is messy and got on the outside of the stock and a little on the receiver so it would have needed to be painted. Red neck engineering. Edited January 22, 2009 by lipadj46 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffesonm 0 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I live in the great state of NJ where pistol grips are no good on shotguns with detachable mags... does anyone know for sure whether or not this would be considered a pistol grip? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I live in the great state of NJ where pistol grips are no good on shotguns with detachable mags... does anyone know for sure whether or not this would be considered a pistol grip? Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer much less one that has passed the NJ Bar so take this for what it is worth. This would be considered a thumbhole stock. See for example the turkey shotguns that manufacturers are coming out with that have these attached type pistol grips to get around the states with bans. Also see the Beretta CX4 Storm or ATI stock for the Hi Point 995. There was a federal ruling on the expired federal ban that said dragonuv stocks were pistol grips but that specifically called out the dragonuv. I am not aware of any state rulings like that. Each states laws are different though so you may want to read the whole law and fully digest it. California has a legal definition of a pistol grip but it does not make too much sense to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fenrir 0 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I live in the great state of NJ where pistol grips are no good on shotguns with detachable mags... does anyone know for sure whether or not this would be considered a pistol grip? It is classified as a thumbhole stock and Saiga's are impoted with this stock option. I'll sell you mine as it don't fit my bear paws Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I also live in the great state of NJ and have the .308 with the skeleton stock and the s-12 with the standard one. I badly want to interchange the two stocks however (and this is what stops me) the wording in the NJ statute says that a "prominent grip protruding from the bottom of the receiver" on a mag fed semi-auto shotgun makes it an "assault weapon". The key components on the saiga are the magazine and the "prominent" grip. If a semi-auto tube fed shotgun had a thumbhole stock then technically it only has one evil feature. You can put a folding/collapsible stock on a pump shotgun but not on a semi-auto. Detachable mags are limited to 5 rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flash! 1 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I bought the skeletonized stock also.... but I'm gonna sell it...... never actually installed it..... the ads state fully adjustable cheek pad....but when it arrived, I found that's not so..... they are not made for left handed people..... right handed people might like them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I have not for the life of me been able to find a single pic on the interwebs of a Saiga 12 with this stock on it, and sadly your pics have expired OP!! If possible please repost them, thanks! I was also wondering if you can rotate that cheek pad out of the way enough to use the iron sights? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I have not for the life of me been able to find a single pic on the interwebs of a Saiga 12 with this stock on it, and sadly your pics have expired OP!! If possible please repost them, thanks! I was also wondering if you can rotate that cheek pad out of the way enough to use the iron sights? I just found this on on Google. I'm 99% certain it's owned by a member here. Ericinmaryland, if I'm thinking right. I'd bet he can provide more, clearer pics, if you ask him. Otherwise, it should be easy to rough edit a photo of the stock, onto a picture of an S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) You certainly can rotate the cheekpad out of the way, it's designed for just that. Originally this stock was for the SVD rifle but Izhmash modified it to fit AK rifles as well, and it works great with S12's. Z Edited December 4, 2009 by TX-Zen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Thanks guys! Yours looks great with those Russian optics TX, that's what I'm thinking of getting soon enough! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Just be careful with it on the 12, my PK-AS came back and bit me in the eye. Still have the scar lol Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I want to order this stock asap (I live in CT, can't really/don't want to convert) but I'm still apprehensive about that damn cheekpad.... It seems like it still might kiiiinda be in the way when using the iron sights even when folded to the side 90 degrees, is this the case or does it only look like that in photos? Is the cheekpad something that is really useful on a shotgun? From what I understand this is for use primarily with a rifle scope...but can it or should it even be used with a red dot? I was hoping that if I ever was trying to be uber accurate with slugs through the kobra red dot I was planning on getting, that the cheekpad might be somewhat useful in that situation. (???) Can it be removed off that stock by any chance? (prob not or someone would have done it by now, me thinks) Thank you for listening to all my cheekpad-related concerns! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jager 1 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 The cheek pad really doesn't get in the way except when switching shoulders for ambi work. Then if it's out of the way for right, it's in the way for left. It locks into two positions, but will rotate completely around. When I say in the way I'm talking about your hand bumping into it. It does not interfere with sight picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DINK 1 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I installed one of these stocks on my CT Saiga and got rid of the cheek pad. It works fine with iron sights or a red dot. I also added a spacer and a Decelerator recoil pad, as these stocks are made for midgets. To dump the cheek rest, you just have to drill off the heads of the two rivets that hold the whole assembly together. It comes apart and can be removed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) I want to order this stock asap (I live in CT, can't really/don't want to convert) but I'm still apprehensive about that damn cheekpad.... It seems like it still might kiiiinda be in the way when using the iron sights even when folded to the side 90 degrees, is this the case or does it only look like that in photos? Is the cheekpad something that is really useful on a shotgun? From what I understand this is for use primarily with a rifle scope...but can it or should it even be used with a red dot? I was hoping that if I ever was trying to be uber accurate with slugs through the kobra red dot I was planning on getting, that the cheekpad might be somewhat useful in that situation. (???) Can it be removed off that stock by any chance? (prob not or someone would have done it by now, me thinks) Thank you for listening to all my cheekpad-related concerns! It really doesn't hinder anything when using irons and it is perfect for a red dot sight mounted on the side rail. These are shots of my SVDS folder, but the S12 SVD stock rotates the same way. It also doesn't have to be 90 degrees on the right side to clear the irons, it can be rotated 180 degrees downward. SVD stock folded down: Z Edited December 25, 2009 by TX-Zen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Cool, thanks guys. From what people had said before, I didn't think you could rotate it down and 100% out of the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 So I got this stock and spent an hour or so this morning trying to hammer it in WITHOUT a vise and got it 99% of the way there. The last millimeter or two won't seem to budge, and I'm afraid of either breaking the stock or my gun based on how I'm bracing it. I don't really plan on doing further modification so I didn't think this little project justified a gun vise purchase. I picked up a rubber mallet from paw today and am going to try again (was using ghetto-rigged hammer with improvised padding)....should I just haul off and beat this thing's ass one last hard time to finish it off? Am I treating my gun with kid gloves or could I possibly damage this stock if I don't properly fix it in a vise instead of grasping the hand-guard while I try to beat it in? This thing seems pretty damn tough, Ida know. Thx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Any pics of how far it's in? They don't always need to be flush for the stock to be seated properly. There are some variances in stocks and receiver fitting, it is combloc stuff after all Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronRonin 19 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 I basically have the tiniest bit more to go before it is lined up with the pre-drilled holes. If I can't get it in more I guess I'll pull it out (somwhow, lol) and file/sand it down a bit. I def want it to go in more, there is even a little square of see-thru space in the middle, gotta close that up!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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