BruisedShoulder 7 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 I enjoy shooting rapidly and had a chance to try a converted Saiga with a SAW pistol grip and it was great. The fit and feel of the pistol grip felt natural and very comfortable. I have shot a Mini-14 very rapidly but the .223 is not going to kick like a 12ga and was wondering for those with non converted Saigas, do yo find the original stock and fit to be a bit uncomfortable for rapid shooting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 UNCOMFORTABLE Yes, BS the OEM stock wants It's pound of flesh when you take it out. There's plenty out there too tame the kick. I opted for the Tromix stock w/ Limbsaver due to my shoulder acted as a kickstand for my 4 wheeler about 6 weeks ago. Still tender. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwingextremist 0 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) I enjoy shooting rapidly and had a chance to try a converted Saiga with a SAW pistol grip and it was great.The fit and feel of the pistol grip felt natural and very comfortable. I have shot a Mini-14 very rapidly but the .223 is not going to kick like a 12ga and was wondering for those with non converted Saigas, do yo find the original stock and fit to be a bit uncomfortable for rapid shooting? lilguy a couple vendors here sell a butt pad for the factory stock Edited July 5, 2009 by rightwingextremist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slyguy 0 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) Yeah, orig Saiga buttstock out of the box will kill your shoulder... not fun. It's pretty light for a 12ga shotgun, so it has a lot of recoil the way it is configured. When I first purchased my s12, I shot it at the range for maybe 50rd of buck just to test it out before I made any mods and jeopardized the warranty. Shot well, but I sure didn't want to do that to my shoulder again lol. You don't really have to convert to reduce the recoil, and as was said, you should find buttstock recoil pads for $10-25. I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. Edited July 5, 2009 by slyguy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krusader 1 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah, orig Saiga buttstock out of the box will kill your shoulder... not fun. It's pretty light for a 12ga shotgun, so it has a lot of recoil the way it is configured. When I first purchased my s12, I shot it at the range for maybe 50rd of buck just to test it out before I made any mods and jeopardized the warranty. Shot well, but I sure didn't want to do that to my shoulder again lol. You don't really have to convert to reduce the recoil, and as was said, you should find buttstock recoil pads for $10-25. I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. Hey sly does that stock go on without converting? and if so how easy is it to install? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah, orig Saiga buttstock out of the box will kill your shoulder... not fun. It's pretty light for a 12ga shotgun, so it has a lot of recoil the way it is configured. When I first purchased my s12, I shot it at the range for maybe 50rd of buck just to test it out before I made any mods and jeopardized the warranty. Shot well, but I sure didn't want to do that to my shoulder again lol. You don't really have to convert to reduce the recoil, and as was said, you should find buttstock recoil pads for $10-25. I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. Hey sly does that stock go on without converting? and if so how easy is it to install? Unscrew original's screws, take it off, put after market on, tighten screws... Pretty easy, my 10yr'ol could do it. Slyguy, where do you find those 12rnd clips, they might make loading my 12rnd magazine easier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tover26 18 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 First time I shot the S12 with factory stock, my shoulder and bicep bruised up something fierce. I have not converted yet and don't intend to with my first S12. However, each time I've shot, it's been easier and easier. I have a skeleton stock on right now and also screwed around with a T6 from another gun. I'd say that anything is better than the factory stock. Maybe the stock will correctly work for your length of pull, but I found the ability to adjust it to my pull made all the difference in the world. Good luck. Like Chile said, get all the screws. There's a screw underneath the dust cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffesonm 0 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Some folks have filled their stocks with sand or something else to give it a bit more weight and more solid feeling... might help with the recoil too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWBeamer 1 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yeah, orig Saiga buttstock out of the box will kill your shoulder... not fun. It's pretty light for a 12ga shotgun, so it has a lot of recoil the way it is configured. When I first purchased my s12, I shot it at the range for maybe 50rd of buck just to test it out before I made any mods and jeopardized the warranty. Shot well, but I sure didn't want to do that to my shoulder again lol. You don't really have to convert to reduce the recoil, and as was said, you should find buttstock recoil pads for $10-25. I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. Hey sly does that stock go on without converting? and if so how easy is it to install? I have one, it's a 15 minute job if you are slow. Couldn't be much easier. Comes with a thick pad also, really reduces recoil. I will more than likely convert later, but I like this stock because it kept me legal under 922r with an US made hi cap mag. It's a cheap stock, but it's sturdier than it looks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blackberg 0 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I put on a limbsaver on my original stock and put a mercury recoil reducer inside, even my 16 year old cousin said that it had almost no recoil, we went through about 400 rounds on sunday, I did about half of it, and we kept commenting about the lack of kick, even when rapid firing. We where able to compare with my 24" mossberg and 18" winchester both with limbsavers as well. -bb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) ... I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. I don't think just adding a U.S. made stock and U.S. made mag is enough to satisfy 922r. There are more parts needed before it can be legal. Better check on that. Edited July 9, 2009 by FrustratedInCali Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 A medium limb saver slip on. Too nice to change, Maybe get a 19" threaded one to convert someday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWBeamer 1 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 saiga 12 has 14 parts. Must have 10 or fewer foreign parts to meet 922r mag is three. Stock is one. How does this not satisfy 922r? ... I think you should at least put on US made stock so you can use hi cap US mags legally, though. I just go with Tapco DIY pistol/adjustable stock... around $60, and then add some 12rd clips. You can add a recoil pad to the DIY stock also, but I didn't feel the need. My Tapco and using managed recoil buckshot cuts the recoil almost in half... pretty managable IMO. I don't think just adding a U.S. made stock and U.S. made mag is enough to satisfy 922r. There are more parts needed before it can be legal. Better check on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have a wood 308 factory butt on my s12 now, which I like quite a lot. it has a recoil pad and cheek piece cut into it from the factory. Its been that way for years, and its staying like that. helping Tom out on a boatload of different customer guns, I have had a chance to try almost every stock out there for these suckers that is out there. I still prefer my wood monte carlo style configuration, BUT that is my personal preference in a shotgun that is full length. I really need to strip it's finish and stain it black one of these days so it matches the rest of the gun. you guys are funny with the recoil on the factory plastic stocks hurting after a while. put an amd65 wire folder on there, see how that feels Get that sucker in your shoulder right, turn your mounting shoulder into the target a tiny bit (I have a firing stance that is just slightly leaning forward and turned into the target, and I will crouch if I really need to hang onto something, like those goddamned H+H magnums, and "the beast", that partly does the job by itself), and you wont have that flat butt on the factory stock cutting into you edgewise. I shoot with both eyes open mostly, unless Im using a magnified scope, or irons out to range. firing hundreds of 12 gauge rounds at a session with other stuff as well, like going shooting with your friends, well, your shoulder is gonna hurt, no way around that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 To you guys with limbsavers on your factory buttstocks; do you think I could cut the stock down 1" or maybe 1.5" and still fit a medium size limbsaver slip on pad? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rogertc1 4 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Just get a Tapco Intrafuse Saiga T6 Stock System, SAW Style Pistol Grip. Easy conversion as you don't move trigger group and made in the USA. Around $60.00 a limb saver is 1/2 the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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