Rifled slug ?

[peaches 4]

Sorry for the newb question, new to firearms/ammo.. s-12 is my first love

 

just wondering if i did use a rifled slug in my s-12 would i cause any damage to it ?

 

i picked up a few of these boxes not know they were rifle rounds... http://www.remington...sabot-slug.aspx ....13$ a box

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

I don't think so, but I've been wrong before

[Chowderhead72 13]

Those slugs are made for a rifled barrel. The gun will have no problems but your wallet might. You need rifled slugs not sabots. I don't know how much you paid for them but I am pretty sure it was more than $8.97 for 15. If you can take them back; do so and grab a few Winchester value packs rifled slugs. Again-- $8.97 for 15.

[peaches 4]

Those slugs are made for a rifled barrel. The gun will have no problems but your wallet might. You need rifled slugs not sabots. I don't know how much you paid for them but I am pretty sure it was more than $8.97 for 15. If you can take them back; do so and grab a few Winchester value packs rifled slugs. Again-- $8.97 for 15.

 

i paid 13 a box... cant bring them back tho.. cut one open /:

 

but the rang master told me it's a bad idea to shoot a rifled slug out a smooth bore... why im asking here

[wired 27]

Its just a sabot slug. It won't hurt anything. Won't be as accurate as a badminton birdie style "rifled" pattern slug but it won't hurt the barrel. If you want to trade for regular slugs let me know. Theyd work fine in my benelli slug barrel.

Edited September 15, 2010 by wired

[peaches 4]

Its just a sabot slug. It won't hurt anything. Won't be as accurate as a badminton birdie style "rifled" pattern slug but it won't hurt the barrel. If you want to trade for regular slugs let me know. Theyd work fine in my benelli slug barrel.

 

im fine whit them long as they wont hurt my babe... tyvm ... all you guys are a great help /salute

[beefcakeb99 572]

 

 

i paid 13 a box... cant bring them back tho.. cut one open /:

 

but the rang master told me it's a bad idea to shoot a rifled slug out a smooth bore... why im asking here

Sounds like misinformation and confusion...

 

Unless I am backwards, you WANT a rifled slug for a NON rifled barrel....and a sabot for a rifled barrel, aka slug barrel.

 

a smoothbore will not spin/stabilize a round on its own, so you want a rifled slug so that it will spin and be accurate...if you shoot a sabot out of a smoothbore it will not get a spin to it and be unstable in the air... if you have a slug barrel you would use the sabots because a slug barrel has rifling and spins the smooth round to stabalize...

 

 

ETA: pretty dog by the way

Edited September 15, 2010 by beefcakeb0

[RobRez 1,895]

Winchester super X Rifled slugs give a 6" group at 100 yards from the bench. They are not bad for your barrel....they are bad for whatever is in front of your barrel. I have shot close to 1000 of them bad boys through my Saiga 12 and it looks good as new when I clean it after shooting!

[Chowderhead72 13]

Beefcake: did you read the link in the original post? Didn't think so. Do so and edit you post.

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

Winchester super X Rifled slugs give a 6" group at 100 yards from the bench. They are not bad for your barrel....they are bad for whatever is in front of your barrel. I have shot close to 1000 of them bad boys through my Saiga 12 and it looks good as new when I clean it after shooting!

 

You should check the OP's link. He's confused on terminology. The slugs he bought are sabot slugs, meant for a rifled barrel, they are not slugs that are themselves rifled, (Foster slugs; designed for smooth bores).

 

To the OP: that rangemaster doesn't know what he's talking about. Sabot slugs will fire fine from a smooth-bored shotgun, but they're not meant for it, and therefore your accuracy using them will leave a lot to be desired. They will not damage your gun, though.

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

Winchester super X Rifled slugs give a 6" group at 100 yards from the bench. They are not bad for your barrel....they are bad for whatever is in front of your barrel. I have shot close to 1000 of them bad boys through my Saiga 12 and it looks good as new when I clean it after shooting!

 

You should check the OP's link. He's confused on terminology. The slugs he bought are sabot slugs, meant for a rifled barrel, they are not slugs that are themselves rifled, (Foster slugs; designed for smooth bores).

 

To the OP: that rangemaster doesn't know what he's talking about. Sabot slugs will fire fine from a smooth-bored shotgun, but they're not meant for it, and therefore your accuracy using them will leave a lot to be desired. They will not damage your gun, though.

 

+1

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

+2

[beefcakeb99 572]

Beefcake: did you read the link in the original post? Didn't think so. Do so and edit you post.

hmmm mr smarty pants you seem to be clairvoyant, or maybe just a jerk, but I did read the link and although it sounds like a bunch of propaganda about how excellent their product is , maybe you didnt follow through and read the entirety of it....

 

Designed for use in fully-rifled barrels only

 

So i suggest you lower your tone a bit and edit your post with an apology, and how rude it was.

[beefcakeb99 572]

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Designed for use in fully-rifled barrels only

 

 

Just to clear it up, the slugs you have are not rifled and neither is your barrel. Therefore you want to go get you some rifled slugs, not sabots.

[peaches 4]

sorry for the confusion /:

 

thank you again for the help guys.

 

an thankyou beefcake on the dog comment... she died last year

[Chowderhead72 13]

Jerk? No doubt. Lol

 

I will edit just as soon as the misinformation line is removed. As for an apology... Rub a lamp. Make a wish.

Peace

Edited September 15, 2010 by Chowderhead72

[Chowderhead72 13]

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Designed for use in fully-rifled barrels only

This was the very same point I made in the third post. Read my original post again; we are arguing the same side of the same point. I was irritated about the disinformation comment. The rest of your post was on point.

 

Just to clear it up, the slugs you have are not rifled and neither is your barrel. Therefore you want to go get you some rifled slugs, not sabots.

[beefcakeb99 572]

There was indeed misinformation, from the range master that told him not to use rifled slugs, when that is what he should be using. Sorry your post was quoted by him, and you took it the wrong way...

 

OP just so we are clear: those that you pictured are sabots, and will require a rifled barrel to go true.

 

Your s12 will be best shot with rifled slugs which are not what you have pictured and the range officer was not only wrong about what round you have, because it is not rifled... but he was also wrong about the barrel and round combo.

Edited September 15, 2010 by beefcakeb0

[peaches 4]

if you scroll down on the page it does say rifle rounds.... i am a bit confused /:

[hobbyshooter 59]

Sabot and rifled slugs are 2 different things. Rifled slugs are meant for smooth bore. Either Cyl. Bore, or a slight choke to pinch down on the rifling that is on the slug.

 

The Sabot is designed for rifled barrels, which you do not have. Since you have a cylinder bore you should be able to fire them just fine, but the slug is likely going to tumble, keyhole, and basically not travel through the air well. This is probably why the Ranger told you not to shoot them.

 

At my Gun club they don't want anybody shooting any slugs out of a smooth bore. It just makes everything that much easier for them vs having to inspect ammo, and educate all of the rangers.

[308SAIGA 55]

Those slugs are made for a rifled barrel. The gun will have no problems but your wallet might. You need rifled slugs not sabots. I don't know how much you paid for them but I am pretty sure it was more than $8.97 for 15. If you can take them back; do so and grab a few Winchester value packs rifled slugs. Again-- $8.97 for 15.

 

 

+1 These are what you need.... $5 a box @ Sportsman Guide

 

You will not hurt anything if you use the Sabot's but they are not as accurate for a smooth bore barrel.... As Wired stated...

Edited September 15, 2010 by 308saiga

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

if you scroll down on the page it does say rifle rounds.... i am a bit confused /:

 

No, rifled some idiot left off the "d" it will happen more and more in the future...

[Chowderhead72 13]

308saiga: walmart has the same thing for 8.97 for a 15 round value pack.

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

If you want to actually get better accuracy and range out of those type of slugs (sabots), then invest in one of these...

http://forum.saiga-1...opic=43443&st=0 ...and buy a rifled slug choke to go with it. Then the sabots, which are basically lead slugs that are covered by a harder substance that will better take the rifling of a choke or rifled barrel, and make the slug spin rapidly, keeping it more stable in flight and making it much more accurate than any "rifled slugs". These are also more effective than other chokes like the polychoke, when used with normal, readily available internal chokes for common shotguns. People get tighter patterns with these than with adjustable chokes.

 

Here are some pics of the choke adapter installed with a rifled slug choke made for shooting sabot slugs.....shown along side a factory Russian "Paradox" rifled choke made for this same purpose.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now about the true misinformation in this thread....

The term "rifled slug" is a misnomer.

A so called "rifled" slug does not really spin much from the spiral grooves it has molded into it's surface...not like a bullet does when stabilized by a rifled barrel. Those raised ribs are actually made for allowing the slug to swage down and fit the barrel tighter, creating a better seal for the gas to propel it more efficiently. Anyone who doesn't believe me look it up....or take a slug round and cut the projectile out of it. Try to fit that into your muzzle on an open cylinder bore. It won't fit. Why are the grooves in the shape of a spiral, instead of just straight, you might ask? Because if they were straight the gasses would squeeze between them and proper seal would not be formed. If they made the whole slug a larger diameter however, there would be a danger of it getting stuck in a fouled barrel, or one with dings, and blowing it up. This is also why a slug is hollow instead of solid like a round musket ball.

 

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

All of the slugs that I've carved on with my pocket knife out of boredom were solid...

[RobRez 1,895]

Well they are sort of hollow...Like a Badminton Shuttlecock.... it has a solid part at the tip with a hollow back end.