Sumsky 115 Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 I always see members worried about chipping or damaging their Chrome lined Barrel while drilling or hacksawing the Barrel. Considering the blast pressure and the particles moving through the Barrel, not to mention the Fire and Heat . If those things did not damage the Barrel, I dont see why sawing and drilling would. Anyone here on this Forum ever experienced Chrome Flaking or Chrome chipping inside your Barrel????? Lets see it. Also lets hear what caused it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skiboatsp 111 Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 (edited) Hard chrome should not be confussed with decorative chrome which is typically applied over nickle which is relativly soft. hard chrome is usually applied over a harder base material and bonds on a molecular level which makes it resist flaking or chipping better than with decorative plating. I've never had a problem with hard chrome in a saiga barrel but would still use careful machining practices. Placing a good fitting plug of aluminum in the bore for support before sawing should help prevent any possible problems. Edited September 27, 2010 by saigatechusa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sumsky 115 Posted September 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Hard chrome should not be confussed with decorative chrome which is typically applied over nickle which is relativly soft. hard chrome is usually applied over a harder base material and bonds on a molecular level which makes it resist flaking or chipping better than with decorative plating. I've never had a problem with hard chrome in a saiga barrel but would still use careful machining practices. Placing a good fitting plug of aluminum in the bore for support before sawing should help prevent any possible problems. sigatech, Great explanation between the two types of Chrome finishes. Molecular, and Plating. I think thats where people get confused. After seeing their $1,000 Chrome Coffee Table start flaking off. They think the same is going to happen to a Saiga Barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skiboatsp 111 Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 (edited) Hard chrome should not be confussed with decorative chrome which is typically applied over nickle which is relativly soft. hard chrome is usually applied over a harder base material and bonds on a molecular level which makes it resist flaking or chipping better than with decorative plating. I've never had a problem with hard chrome in a saiga barrel but would still use careful machining practices. Placing a good fitting plug of aluminum in the bore for support before sawing should help prevent any possible problems. sigatech, Great explanation between the two types of Chrome finishes. Molecular, and Plating. I think thats where people get confused. After seeing their $1,000 Chrome Coffee Table start flaking off. They think the same is going to happen to a Saiga Barrel. Decorative plating is also on a molecular level it's just applied to a softer substrate. Decorative plating starts by polishing the part, plating with copper then polishing. depending on the final requirments it can be copper plated and polished several times to fill small scratches or imperfections, then nickle plated which gives the mirror apperance then chromium for corrosion resistance. The nickle layer is what you see when decorative plating peels or flakes. Edited September 27, 2010 by saigatechusa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Well, to my surprise, I believe the chrome lining is flaking off inside my gas block. What do you all make of this? There's only been less than 1000 rounds through the shotgun as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Beatty 39 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Residue from abrasion between the puck and block? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Residue from abrasion between the puck and block? You know what, I think you're right. I did some aggressive scrubbing and the flaking stuff came off leaving a shiny surface underneath. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Beatty 39 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Yeah, one of the things I always wondered, is that if gravity, and the motion of the puck, combined with abrasive powder residue, would eventually polish the hard chrome lining away on the bottom of the gas block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shadoh 16 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Is the gas block even hard chromed? I thought it was just the barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RJWesleyIII 7 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Is the gas block even hard chromed? I thought it was just the barrel? x2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I have cut 2 barrels, the second was agressively cut with a rebar chop saw. Neither flaked. The stuff is not going anywhere. I sanded and polished the inside of my gas block and it didn't seem to have any ill effects. It is shinier and much easier to clean now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 I've had my s12 almost a year and the chrome is scraping away....how can it be? wut is this velvet!?!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeAK 337 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Clean the barrel better, it looks like plastic. Mines looked like that several times, and after cleaning is back to the almost mirror shine. (also this post is from 2011) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 +1 Pick up a Tornado brush, chuck it in a cordless drill, go to town. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 I wish it was but its the chrome. I scratched it with mt finger nail to see if it could plastic but I when I finally opened my eyes to look I had it on my finger man right next to the tear drop...wut am I gonna do!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garnaz 215 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) What you do is shoot the shit out of it. It's a shotgun not a precision target/hunting rifle. If prices or supply are still in orbit buy a replacement barrel now in production and replace it. Edit:just looked at state of residence. Just turn it in. J/k Edited May 1, 2013 by garnaz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Lmfdo!!! New York is the lame state And I know it's a shotgun...a shotgun I paid sum good money for and I spent sum extra change I thought they had sum warranty on stuff like Oh does anyone know where I would be able to find a barrel already made n ready to put on. I learned everything from you guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeAK 337 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 I don't think it's the chrome, I notice that the marks stop just a hair before the muzzle crown, if it was chrome flaking off, I figure it would start flaking at a sharp(ish) edge like that. Even if it is the chrome flaking, it's no where near a big enough issue to replace the barrel, it's just there for corrosion resistance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 thanks yall I just got a little worried u know... F ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!! my daughter just turned 13 and I want to be ready for well you know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
travistp 63 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) Male testosterone? Mine looks all fucked up towards the front of the barrel closest to the receiver. Probably 6-8 inchs deep but probably trash from the tons of dirt I made her inhale and exhale. Pachunga buy my tromix monster brake im saleing. Itll turn them boys back into babies Edited May 2, 2013 by travistp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 it'll make it look too long...18" barrel min in new york Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garnaz 215 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Have barrel cut and break permanently attached Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pachunga 5 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 shes fine just like this barrel 3"s shorter would be nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I have seen this as well on mine. I'm thinking lead fowling as the chips are soft, like lead slag. Ran a tornado brush down my bore and all sorts of shiny chips came out. The bore then had a beautiful shine. But all of the chips were real soft, again like lead. If it were the chrome, you'd see pits left behind! Might be a combo of plastic, lead, and carbon all melted together. The Saiga is a real pig compaired to my other gas shotguns. It loves to hold it's carbon in! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 If you're using Hoppe's to clean the bore it can sometimes make lead particles look like flaking chrome. Had me scratching my head first few times I cleaned mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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