North Korea Attacks South Korea...possibly beginning WWIII

[Paulyski 2,227]

The US isn't the only place reeling from all the lost jobs due to massive flooding of cheap Chinese goods. The rest of the world is too. Even third world countries are. We aren't their only customer, they don't have oil, we're attempting to monopolize the middle eastern oil as the Chinese are adding more cars to their roadways than any other country, not to mention we have more oil than the entire middle east hidden under some of our national parks....

 

Our manufacturing base is over there & when the machines aren't running parts for our companies, they're running parts for cheaper Chinese products that are sold the world over, not to mention weapons of war to be used against us at a later date.

 

My prediction is that it will really kick off as we hit Iran.

China will take Taiwan as per their one china policy. They will nationalize our factories & machinery, using our massive debt & intentional devaluation of our currancy to lessen our debt as justification & likely move on south Korea with N. Korea as a proxy, backing them when needed.

 

Our troops will be caught off guard being as Iran will be backed by Russia & will turn out to be a bitch to take.

 

At this point, (or at the same time the other moves go into play) china could hit our west coast with a Trojan horse attack, by filling a few dozen super container ships converted to troop transports & use the fact that at any given time, we have over 100 container ships sitting off our west coast waiting to be unloaded. They could rig them to blow the fronts off as they ran them up the beaches & we would have no time to respond before they had a foothold, being as our west coast is so sparely protected (Thank's Bill Clinton)

 

China has over 700,000,000 citizens available for military service, over 250,000,000 active at all times & has nearly every bit of top secret technology that the US has (Thanks Bill Richardson & Bill Clinton)

 

They have faster super computers than us too now.

 

The Korean war ended stopped, when MacArthur crossed the 38th parallel against the demands of China & the Chinese sent a battalion of 250,000 to counter us, resulting in our soldier's guns melting, yet the sea of yellow never stopped.

 

This may just eventually get interesting.

G.O.B...

 

Do you actually have a retort or the capacity to reinforce disagreement with any aspects of that post?

Or does it just scare you, so you do the whole -1 thing & hide your head in the sand?

You can stick your head about anywhere, but it still won't change the geopolitical situation that the world currently faces.

[G O B 3,516]

The US isn't the only place reeling from all the lost jobs due to massive flooding of cheap Chinese goods. The rest of the world is too. Even third world countries are. We aren't their only customer, they don't have oil, we're attempting to monopolize the middle eastern oil as the Chinese are adding more cars to their roadways than any other country, not to mention we have more oil than the entire middle east hidden under some of our national parks....

 

Our manufacturing base is over there & when the machines aren't running parts for our companies, they're running parts for cheaper Chinese products that are sold the world over, not to mention weapons of war to be used against us at a later date.

 

My prediction is that it will really kick off as we hit Iran.

China will take Taiwan as per their one china policy. They will nationalize our factories & machinery, using our massive debt & intentional devaluation of our currancy to lessen our debt as justification & likely move on south Korea with N. Korea as a proxy, backing them when needed.

 

Our troops will be caught off guard being as Iran will be backed by Russia & will turn out to be a bitch to take.

 

At this point, (or at the same time the other moves go into play) china could hit our west coast with a Trojan horse attack, by filling a few dozen super container ships converted to troop transports & use the fact that at any given time, we have over 100 container ships sitting off our west coast waiting to be unloaded. They could rig them to blow the fronts off as they ran them up the beaches & we would have no time to respond before they had a foothold, being as our west coast is so sparely protected (Thank's Bill Clinton)

 

China has over 700,000,000 citizens available for military service, over 250,000,000 active at all times & has nearly every bit of top secret technology that the US has (Thanks Bill Richardson & Bill Clinton)

 

They have faster super computers than us too now.

 

The Korean war ended stopped, when MacArthur crossed the 38th parallel against the demands of China & the Chinese sent a battalion of 250,000 to counter us, resulting in our soldier's guns melting, yet the sea of yellow never stopped.

 

This may just eventually get interesting.

G.O.B...

 

Do you actually have a retort or the capacity to reinforce disagreement with any aspects of that post?

Or does it just scare you, so you do the whole -1 thing & hide your head in the sand?

You can stick your head about anywhere, but it still won't change the geopolitical situation that the world currently faces.

 

 

North Korea is a paper tiger. An army is only as effective as it's support. The old 'tooth to tail' ratio. Since NK cannot feed an army there is NO tail,only worn teeth. China is a pragmatic Nation, they will push for their strongest position - but NK has outlived it's usefulness to them when it endangers the flow of American dollars and technology.

The entire NK problem was started by the Japanese. In WWII NK was the site of their third 'Manhattan' project. The Korean war was about Russia and their Chinese surrogate keeping the facilities for themselves.(A bulwark against the massive US presence in Japan was also handy).

I see no military help for Kim coming from China. There is no profit in it. Politically they can get a lot more from a negotiated settlement, and especially if they can broker it.

[Paulyski 2,227]

North Korea is a paper tiger. An army is only as effective as it's support. The old 'tooth to tail' ratio. Since NK cannot feed an army there is NO tail,only worn teeth. China is a pragmatic Nation, they will push for their strongest position - but NK has outlived it's usefulness to them when it endangers the flow of American dollars and technology.

The entire NK problem was started by the Japanese. In WWII NK was the site of their third 'Manhattan' project. The Korean war was about Russia and their Chinese surrogate keeping the facilities for themselves.(A bulwark against the massive US presence in Japan was also handy).

I see no military help for Kim coming from China. There is no profit in it. Politically they can get a lot more from a negotiated settlement, and especially if they can broker it.

But don't you remember pre-sept 11th?

 

China was our biggest military threat then, as they still are now.

 

One's enemy of one's enemy is one's friend... Till they get all the use they can get out of them...

 

I don't think China is N. Korea's friend by any means. However, China hates Japan, wants Taiwan, already has the majority of our technology, we keep undermining their leadership, THEY are supporting our economy as we rip them off by devaluing our currency after they loan us money. We interfere with their One China policy with military threats & protection of Taiwan, & we look at them as a bunch of stupid chinks, when they're the longest surviving civilized civilization.

Not to mention their energy resources are nearly nonexistent, they have over a billion people who want to drive, they're adding more cars to their roads than most of the rest of the world combined each year as we're monopolizing the world's oil, not to mention, we have massive oil reserves of our own that would make a great prize if anyone were to conquer us.

We're saving it for them by not drilling to get it, using the rationale that it's under our parks... Parks don't mean shit to a nation that has hardly any trees of their own... Other than potential resources to be plundered.

 

The vast majority of our manufacturing equipment lies in this socialist country that can legally (according to their laws) nationalize all of it.

 

We give them an excuse to do this.

 

I feel when China decides they've had enough & we're at our weakest point, they will encourage N. Korea, simply to spread us thin.

Who knows.... Maybe in the aftermath, they'll turn on N. Korea & take the whole Korean peninsula, Taiwan, Japan & the rest of our pacific outposts.

That's what I'd do.

 

Our military is set up to fight 2 wars, winning one & holding off another large force.

 

If we commit to take Iran & the shit pops off in Korea, we will be extended to the point that we would be virtually defenseless against a Chinese invasion & being as our country will be in a shambles after a takeover & they will still be producing, they can plunder the US's oil & other resources, which they desperately need & STILL sell us all their cheap shit, because we'll need it to rebuild & they would be making the rules using the excuse that we're being made to pay back our debt & being penalized for taking over so many countries, which could be their moral rationale for an invasion.

 

Look at how WWII went down.

The Tiger Tank was vastly superior to the Sherman. It was said that it took 10 Shermans to take 1 Tiger....

But we always had an 11th.

They now, are the us of then in that regard.

 

All of our top secret technology with our Skunk-works aircraft that the the desert rats mistake for UFOs aren't shit if China has 100 fighters for every 1 of ours, not to mention the war prize of the technology that they would get from us if they took us... Just like we did with the German scientists, civil engineers & propagandists after WWII.

 

Nero built the Coliseum & rebuilt Rome after he intentionality burnt it down with the plunder of Jerusalem.

China can do the same with the plunder of America.

 

We can't nuke them, because we're back to Mutually Assured Destruction & they too have ballistic missiles.

A few years ago, as I'm sure you remember, a Chinese diesel sub popped up in the middle of a US carrier battle group, proving that they are able to circumvent our ASW protocol & systems, so they have the ability to deliver nukes just like we do.

 

So, yeah, they may take a hit in the short term, but they, unlike the US as of late, have long term vision.

They also have twice as many highly controlled, hungry citizens available for military service than we have in our entire US population, encluding the elderly & children.

 

I say, the smart move for them, is to hit us while we're weak, thus ensuring they're strong in the long term.

 

Once again... Remember... In WWII all of our manufacturing base was converted to military production to combat Germany & Japan... Two countries that are around the mass of California, which might I add has the toughest gun control laws, so the citizenry could not resist an invasion effectively. Oregon is a bit better, Washington is a little weaker than Oregon, with regards their citizenry's legal arms but our entire west coast is ruled by leftist pussies and WE are the front line of an impending invasion. All China has to do is quickly establish a foothold & convert sections of I-5 to airbases being as I-5 is an Eisenhower Interstate & has straight sections that could be used as airstrips every 5 miles. Then we're the insergents...

I'm confident that the US could eventually fight them off, being as we are a country of revolutionariness & a citizenry that's prone to get pissed, throw down & fight when we get pushed hard enough, but I'll likely be a memory by that time being as my fucking barrel will melt & I'd be well ventilated before I submit, but I have confidence in my fellow American's resolve...

I hope

 

Maybe I just strategize differently than you, but it is almost laughable that I don't see more people who can see the possible geostrategic, geomilitary, geopolitical & long term economic advantages for China from the scenario I've outlined above.

Edited December 4, 2010 by Paulyski

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

North Korea is a paper tiger. An army is only as effective as it's support. The old 'tooth to tail' ratio. Since NK cannot feed an army there is NO tail,only worn teeth. China is a pragmatic Nation, they will push for their strongest position - but NK has outlived it's usefulness to them when it endangers the flow of American dollars and technology.

The entire NK problem was started by the Japanese. In WWII NK was the site of their third 'Manhattan' project. The Korean war was about Russia and their Chinese surrogate keeping the facilities for themselves.(A bulwark against the massive US presence in Japan was also handy).

I see no military help for Kim coming from China. There is no profit in it. Politically they can get a lot more from a negotiated settlement, and especially if they can broker it.

 

Well said. All North Korea has is a bunch of idiots marching in elaborate parades with 1950s equipment. Fact of the matter is, in a conventional war, crowds of guys with AK-47s don't really mean shit against a country like the USA with planes that can blast them from 20+ miles away. China is in it purely for the money, and it would be laughable to assume they'd give up their multi-billion dollar sales to the USA to help "Crackpot Kimmy"

[Sly 233]

My opinion? GTFO! ASAP. The NORK's are a paper tiger just as the us is. China is pulling that string. Get rid of NAFTA. impose tariffs like we should. Our military goes silent like it should be anyway. "NO military sales to any forirghn country. PERIOD." Hell, no "free trade period".And alot more.

 

Do you know China's male to female ratio? If we sold them some skank's, we could pay our debt off in a day! AND I really thing thats what they really want? Our woeman!

[joebanda1213 59]

Youd have to get the U.S. govt to surrender early. As I see it there is atleast 300 million fire arms in the U.S.if not alot more. China better hope they can get troops across before we notice and destroy them before landing with whats left after they tactically nuke the the U.S. To occuopy the States would be the biggest bitch if they ever get to that point. If you think Iraq Afghan is bad alot of the people that didnt die would be spending there time making roadside bombs to destroy chinese convoys. America would not give up that easily. Its not impossible to take the states but it will take lots of time huge causualties and mostlikly the occupation of neighboring countries first. Not to mention even if stretched thin we still have allies that account for something.

 

I dont care how smart and how good of a strategy you have getting into it with us on our land is the most stupid worst decision ever.

[Paulyski 2,227]

If you think Iraq Afghan is bad alot of the people that didnt die would be spending there time making roadside bombs to destroy chinese convoys.

Yeah... But it's kinda hard to get ammonium nitrate or other key supplies in large enough quantities to prepare & not be labeled a terrorist, so for a while, they'd have a hell of a head start, & the military isn't just gonna hand out weaponry to the civilians right away.

 

I dont care how smart and how good of a strategy you have getting into it with us on our land is the most stupid worst decision ever.

Maybe.

 

But crazier shit has happened.

I think it might be fun to deal with, in a way...

But I don't have young children either.

[Kliegl 304]

China doesn't have the majority of our technology. Not even close. We have stuff

that surpasses anyone's idea. A couple people I worked with were there back in the day;

still can't talk about it, other than to tell me that it's beyond science fiction.

 

China's navy is shit. We own the seas. Whatever sub, if it actually occurred, that got into

a carrier group was allowed to do so. All China has is some older Russian Kilo class diesels.

Those things are quiet, indeed, but they're diesels. They must snorkle to recharge batteries

every 48 hours or so, and believe me, every single Chinese sub is tracked via satellite.

 

China does not have the longest continuing civilization in the world. All the Chinese dynasties

ended with Communism and Mao. The longest continuing country on the planet is actually us, other

than the Vatican. Every other country has had a government change from one type to another since

the USA has been around.

 

Yeah, they might have had the same people farming the same rockpile for millenia, and they might

have discovered neat things way back when, but the majority of Chinese are dirt poor and ignorant.

Not saying they're bad people, Buddhism is a good religion, but education is not high on a Chinese

farmer's list of goals. I'm sure you've heard the phrase 1 billion Chinese peasants don't give a fuck.

 

I'm not concerned about a Chinese invasion. California is hardly worth fighting for anyway; it's just

a cesspool of liberalism, atheism, and hedonism. But, let's say China invaded. Ok, so we got a bunch

of Chinese in California. They would have to cross the Rockies and beat the plains states and Texas.

 

You know what we did during WWII? Every squinty eyed person we could find got locked the fuck up.

Yeah, it's a travesty, and every history book says how horrible the USA was for doing it, but guess

what? It worked damn well. The Chinese would have the same problem we have in the mid east, which is

not looking like the indigenous population. They invade us, we'll roll the Abrams' down the interstates

and squash them before they hit Nevada.

 

We don't have to even invade North Korea to stop them. Korea is a peninsula, and we have cruisers that

can put a missile across the peninsula, hang a u turn, then come back. Hell, we could beat them with just

the active duty B-52s we still have, just for some historical acknowledgment.

 

China will never go after the US; they'll go after Russia first.

[bigsal 757]

 

You know what we did during WWII? Every squinty eyed person we could find got locked the fuck up.

Yeah, it's a travesty, and every history book says how horrible the USA was for doing it, but guess

what? It worked damn well. The Chinese would have the same problem we have in the mid east, which is

not looking like the indigenous population. They invade us, we'll roll the Abrams' down the interstates

and squash them before they hit Nevada.

 

Actually the vast majority of WWII sabotage attempts were made by ethnic Germans not "squinty eyed" people. So I guess the whole sending the japanese to concentration camps thing didn't "work damn well" after all...

[joebanda1213 59]

I Know for one that if we were ever attacked I would take all my guns which are evil black rifles my bulk of ammunition and would join what ever militia there is left or being formed to defend the states. And if the land of the law becomes lawless I would pack up and set up a base camp in the north georgia mountains. Its either survival mode or defending whats left with my life. I hope a majority of citizens feel the same. I have about ten friends with more guns and ammo than me that would be by my side.

[Sly 233]

 

You know what we did during WWII? Every squinty eyed person we could find got locked the fuck up.

Yeah, it's a travesty, and every history book says how horrible the USA was for doing it, but guess

what? It worked damn well. The Chinese would have the same problem we have in the mid east, which is

not looking like the indigenous population. They invade us, we'll roll the Abrams' down the interstates

and squash them before they hit Nevada.

 

Actually the vast majority of WWII sabotage attempts were made by ethnic Germans not "squinty eyed" people. So I guess the whole sending the japanese to concentration camps thing didn't "work damn well" after all...

 

Are you saying The "squinty eyed" people didnt enguage in sabotage? Or they didnt because they were in concentration camps?

[TYBOY 33]

I lived in South Korea over 4 years. Contractor and Army. South Korea is ready for this engagement. Most major highways in South Korea are alrealy painted and laid out as Runways and airfields. Every 4x4 sold in SK has IR lights installed just in case the military needs them.

 

When it hits Seoul will be over run by the numbers, but thats where the US subs off the coast come in. NK knows they are there.

 

This is just a show of force prior to the son taking over for the crazy NK dude.

 

 

my 2 cents

 

 

TYBOY

[bigsal 757]

 

You know what we did during WWII? Every squinty eyed person we could find got locked the fuck up.

Yeah, it's a travesty, and every history book says how horrible the USA was for doing it, but guess

what? It worked damn well. The Chinese would have the same problem we have in the mid east, which is

not looking like the indigenous population. They invade us, we'll roll the Abrams' down the interstates

and squash them before they hit Nevada.

 

Actually the vast majority of WWII sabotage attempts were made by ethnic Germans not "squinty eyed" people. So I guess the whole sending the japanese to concentration camps thing didn't "work damn well" after all...

 

Are you saying The "squinty eyed" people didnt enguage in sabotage? Or they didnt because they were in concentration camps?

Sly, I think this about sums up my opinion....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wRaFXBDn0g

[Paulyski 2,227]

Edited.

 

Pearls before swine & all.

 

You all will eventually figure it out.

Edited December 5, 2010 by Paulyski

[chevyman097 2,579]

I like cake.

[Stansplace 414]

Wow, this thread sure has ran the gambit.

 

The world seems to forget that our military hasn't done anything since WWII except be a police force. We are concerned with infrastructure and minimizing civilian casualties. While this is the right thing to do, if the leash were ever totally taken off the dog so to speak, we would decimate NK in very short order.

 

Police force and enforcement is a totally different animal than an army at war. The ROE limit the action the military takes. If you eliminate the ROE and go to WAR, our military is totally devastating..............................

 

ETA: spelling

Edited December 5, 2010 by Stansplace

[VaiFanatic90 360]

Wow, this thread sure has ran the gambit.

 

The world seems to forget that out military hasn't done anything since WWII except be a police force. We are concerned with infrastructure and minimizing civilian casualties. While this is the right thing to do, if the leash were ever totally taken off the dog so to speak, we would decimate NK in very short order.

 

Police force and enforcement is a totally different animal than an army at war. The ROE limit the action the military takes. If you eliminate the ROE and go to WAR, our military is totally devastating..............................

 

What Stan says makes sense. In the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan, our military is still focused on preventing mass amounts of damage, and ensuring there are few to no civilian casualties (oddly enough those same civilians then tend to turn around and attack those who "protected" them). If we were to do what others would do, and tear it all down, our military could turn the mountainous North Korea into another Kansas. But that just wouldn't be right.