MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not sure if this should be here, but its relevant to the S12s. Anyway, Not going to say who the retailer is until he answers my emails ( been two days ) . I received the gun yesterday in this condition. I dont know if this is normal stuff that can happen while shipping them, is the finish THAT weak? I was just kind of surprised that it came to me like this. There was a grit all over the gun and all over the paper packaging. And you can see where the CH went through the box. Now Im not sure how they shipped it, but I didnt see any labels on the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 yep.. it's some anti corrosive "stuff"...and or leftover flux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Seems pretty standard. You'll never notice all that stuff after the welders, grinders , and refinish Unfortunatly this is what you get for a $600 foot in the door, to the $1000 shotgun club you'll join later on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csmw 98 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Looks fine. AK handles are always punched through the boxes. Small scratches...it's an S-12, not a Citori. Grit in the gun, blow it out and clean the gun. I didn't see any issues with it. Edited February 17, 2011 by C&S Metall-Werkes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Take it out and throw it down in the creek, pull it out and roll it around in the sand, then shoot the hell out of the thing. Problem solved. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Thakns fellas. I was unsure as this is my first Saiga. I was like huh? I thought it fell off the truck, went to the beach, then got in a fight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 My box had the same hole is the same spot ( Customs inspection maybe?), same grit in the barrel and a few starches. Will fix the scratches this weekend when mine goes from $520 to $750. The important part was it cycled great with low brass without doing anything to it. Make sure you run the rounds through it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 yeah, Ive heard that one both sides. People are saying yeah run HB and make sure it breaks in ( think cycles correctly here ) and then mod it. But it seems like the other side says fuck it, convert it and then fix later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scatillac 22 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 You better get rid of that. just send it to me, i'll take it i guess. i received both of mine today they look in great condition Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I still am amazed that nobody has done a damned thing about the ages old problem of the charging handles poking through the side of the box on about every Saiga that gets shipped individually. How F'n hard would it be to put some extra cardboard or foam reinforcement right there before closing up the box and trusting it to the mail monkeys? Any AK that I've ever sold was shipped with either the bolt carrier removed and padded separately, or the thing supported there by a block of foam, or rolled up cardboard tube to keep it from poking through the box the first time somebody threw it down or put something else on top of it. Instead, most of em get delivered with a hole in the box and a scratched up charging handle. You're not even supposed to ship a firearm in the US mail, with anything written on the box alluding to a gun being inside...much less have friggin parts of it sticking out of the box. IMO they should also have an exterior box without all the IZZY writing on the outside. Rant off... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike1234567 26 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) My FFL received a .308 and S-12 last Friday and this Monday respectively. Both look very nice with none of those issues... haven't checked the barrel or internals yet though. Both do have very minor marks from the safety lever being moved but that may just be from the factory or from people in the store messing with them. Edited February 17, 2011 by Mike1234567 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 They all come with a hole in the box. If you get a Saiga that doesn't have a hole in the box, then it's probably defective and you should send it back. Sounds like you got a good one. Tony 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 The reason there is no label on the box is likely that it was wrapped in brown paper for shipping. The shipping label is in the trash can of your local dealer. It would seem that they could make a cardboard cap for the charging handle and wrap it with stretch film. But every AK action firearm I've ever bought has the handle sticking through the box and paint scuffed off. The grit could be some sort of VCI product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 MrOneEyedBoh - the very important reason that good folks tell you to shoot it FIRST is that you may uncover a problem that is not easily remedied: i.e. too few ports which cause the weapon to not cycle. That is covered under warranty UNLESS you have altered the weapon. Capisci? 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) I still am amazed that nobody has done a damned thing about the ages old problem of the charging handles poking through the side of the box on about every Saiga that gets shipped individually. How F'n hard would it be to put some extra cardboard or foam reinforcement right there before closing up the box and trusting it to the mail monkeys? Any AK that I've ever sold was shipped with either the bolt carrier removed and padded separately, or the thing supported there by a block of foam, or rolled up cardboard tube to keep it from poking through the box the first time somebody threw it down or put something else on top of it. Instead, most of em get delivered with a hole in the box and a scratched up charging handle. You're not even supposed to ship a firearm in the US mail, with anything written on the box alluding to a gun being inside...much less have friggin parts of it sticking out of the box. IMO they should also have an exterior box without all the IZZY writing on the outside. Rant off... Thats too easy haha They all come with a hole in the box. If you get a Saiga that doesn't have a hole in the box, then it's probably defective and you should send it back. Sounds like you got a good one. Tony Good to know The reason there is no label on the box is likely that it was wrapped in brown paper for shipping. The shipping label is in the trash can of your local dealer. It would seem that they could make a cardboard cap for the charging handle and wrap it with stretch film. But every AK action firearm I've ever bought has the handle sticking through the box and paint scuffed off. The grit could be some sort of VCI product. Wouldnt that make sense? MrOneEyedBoh - the very important reason that good folks tell you to shoot it FIRST is that you may uncover a problem that is not easily remedied: i.e. too few ports which cause the weapon to not cycle. That is covered under warranty UNLESS you have altered the weapon. Capisci? 1911 I pulled the plug and I have three visible holes canted towards the action of the gun. Sounds about right, right? Edited February 17, 2011 by MrOneEyedBoh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDriver 23 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 They all come with a hole in the box. If you get a Saiga that doesn't have a hole in the box, then it's probably defective and you should send it back. Sounds like you got a good one. Tony Man, in that case 3/4 of mine are bad! Crap! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Ak-47 49 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I still am amazed that nobody has done a damned thing about the ages old problem of the charging handles poking through the side of the box on about every Saiga that gets shipped individually. How F'n hard would it be to put some extra cardboard or foam reinforcement right there before closing up the box and trusting it to the mail monkeys? Any AK that I've ever sold was shipped with either the bolt carrier removed and padded separately, or the thing supported there by a block of foam, or rolled up cardboard tube to keep it from poking through the box the first time somebody threw it down or put something else on top of it. Instead, most of em get delivered with a hole in the box and a scratched up charging handle. You're not even supposed to ship a firearm in the US mail, with anything written on the box alluding to a gun being inside...much less have friggin parts of it sticking out of the box. IMO they should also have an exterior box without all the IZZY writing on the outside. Rant off... I agree, even dealers often time have chewed up boxes. Get some damn cheap ass bubble wrap or something. My Draco box looked like a rodent was trapped in there and ate its way out. Luckily my Saiga12 was hand picked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I agree, even dealers often time have chewed up boxes. Get some damn cheap ass bubble wrap or something. My Draco box looked like a rodent was trapped in there and ate its way out. Luckily my Saiga12 was hand picked. They have to ship the rats out in something right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PostsOnPercocet 32 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 MIne is about the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G-30 8 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I must have been lucky as my box was perfect and no grit sent with it, it also cycled the cheep Walmart rounds 100%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AtlSaiga 25 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 my s12 charging handle was sticking out but other than that it wasn't all scratched up. My VEPR K came in a similar box but the handle WASNT sticking out...it had a big rubber cap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunk 0 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 When I got mine had so much grit stuck on it it looked like they dug it up in a sand box out back. I guess its one way to make sure you service it before you shoot it for the first time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Acer2428 4 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yes, your finish is that weak. I used some non-chlorinated brake cleaner to prep mine for paint.... My hands quickly turned a purple/black, as did my concrete floor. And all of the engraving became shiny very quickly.... lol. Good thing I'm painting it anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) MrOneEyedBoh - the very important reason that good folks tell you to shoot it FIRST is that you may uncover a problem that is not easily remedied: i.e. too few ports which cause the weapon to not cycle. That is covered under warranty UNLESS you have altered the weapon. Capisci? 1911 Cadiz will fix converted guns. As long as whats causing the failures, or what needs repaired, has not been altered or caused by the owner or person who did the conversion. Its posted in ther sub-forum straight from the horses mouth. Edited February 17, 2011 by Mullet Man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 It's not even uncommon to see rifles show up with the muzzle poking thru the box and with the finish scratched off. It's that communist bloc cardboard which is more like paper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csmw 98 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Way back in the day, I recieved a MAC-10 NIB that was a mess. It had obviously been under water (flood). Chamber and bore were sold rust. All edges on gun had rust. I just threw on a new barrel, and I was as happy as a clam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stansplace 414 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 My last ones were from Arsenal and were the SGL 12-02's. I had no hole in the boxes and the charging handles had a large red plastic piece on them to prevent damage to the box and handle. I too am one of the guys who say convert it then tune it. Why the hell would I want to tune a gun twice? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I never had much "grit" in the box until I recieved the last two, which had the importer's marks etched out. I'm thinking the grit is from that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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