jmdove 3 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Hey out there, does anyone know if a company or individual is making and selling Saiga-12 receiver flats or at least the pattern? I read over past threads and found this question, but there were no answers. jmDove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesmadison 55 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think AKBuilder has them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Hey out there, does anyone know if a company or individual is making and selling Saiga-12 receiver flats or at least the pattern? I read over past threads and found this question, but there were no answers. jmDove Thanks. I'll check them out. jmDove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 which ones would this be? The extra heavy duty 1.5mm? I had been thinking about a rpk based one. Build my own veper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Why would they? There are no saiga-12 parts kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjamez 8 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) AK-Builder doesn't (and never has) sell S-12 flats. It would require a completely new design, a new bending die, new rails, new everything... all for a gun that doesn't have parts kits, or even replacement parts for that matter. Why do you want an S-12 flat? Edited April 14, 2011 by kingjamez Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) AK-Builder doesn't (and never has) sell S-12 flats. It would require a completely new design, a new bending die, new rails, new everything... all for a gun that doesn't have parts kits, or even replacement parts for that matter. Why do you want an S-12 flat? I want a flat because I am thinking about trying to build a S-12 from scratch. I am well aware that there are no S-12 parts kits, but I have a mill, and a barrel supplier, and I am somewhat ambitious. Whether I am overly ambitious is yet to be decided. However, after I posted the question above today, I found out that my FFL, a class II manufacturer, is already busy trying to do the same thing that I am thinking about doing. Today, while picking up my AK from them, I saw and held the S12 they are working on. Considering the news, that the S-12 will be a banned import, I was actually thrilled. So far they have built a receiver from scratch along with a tube like trunnion for the barrel. I asked them if they could sell me a flat too, but the answer at this point was only "maybe". If they make theirs work, I will be glad to be their first buyer instead of home building a S-12 because, let's face it, owning two S-12s just ain't enough. But, hell, I might do it anyway just for the fun. Even trying and failing at it would still be worthwhile, and educational. Don't worry, if I build it, I'll pull the trigger for the first time from a safe distance. Edited April 20, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Go,man,Go......I was thinkin the same thing but I think maken a gun with out the paper work is not so good in the eyes of the gov..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Go,man,Go......I was thinkin the same thing but I think maken a gun with out the paper work is not so good in the eyes of the gov..... Naw...it only becomes a problem if you want to sell it without the paper work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjamez 8 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) If you are building your own, then why not just mill the receiver from a billet? A stainless S12 would be pretty sweet. Good luck with the bolt, unless you have a 5 axis, that part looks pretty hard to make. -Jim Edited April 14, 2011 by kingjamez Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 If I were going to that much trouble, I think I would copy a different platform and adapt it to work with S12 magazines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 What platform would that be? I would be interested in a flat just to try to make a fully rifled s12 or to get carried away and try to come up with a 10 gauge version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It would be a wonderful thing... I know lots of folks would love an AOW Saiga 12. you could do that with a virgin receiver... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) If you are building your own, then why not just mill the receiver from a billet? A stainless S12 would be pretty sweet. Good luck with the bolt, unless you have a 5 axis, that part looks pretty hard to make. -Jim Milling hard billets is a semi-pain with my mini-mill. It works and I have tried to build a semi-auto Thompson with it, but I only got half-way. After that I decided to use it for smaller parts. Why use the mill when you can just drill holes and bend a flat. It seems more authentic to me anyway. As for the bolt, soft metal, a dremel tool and some patience, then tempering the bolt in a small home forge should probably work. However, given that my FFL seems to be gearing up to make Saiga-12s', and, apparently, short barrel S12 shotguns (AOW) for sale too, I will probably just wait and see how his come out. If it works out I will report such on this forum provided he okays it. At the moment I would not presume to speak for him or even give his name in case his project yields no product. An encouraging thought: King Armory is building S12 barrels and plans to make a run this summer if he gets enough people interested. I told him I would buy two. My FFL was also interested when I told him about it. I suspect that my Class II/FFL is not the only one thinking about building S12s out there. Any that do have the potential to become very rich men and right soon! Hopefully we can make this insane/liberal inspired ban extinct in short order! Edited April 20, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 If you have the skill and tools to make a s12 from scratch you can surly make your own reciever, bent or milled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 If you have the skill and tools to make a s12 from scratch you can surly make your own reciever, bent or milled. No, what I have is the audacity to believe I can make my own receiver, bent or milled. I wouldn't mill it however for the reasons I mentioned above. Besides, I already have one half-done semi-auto receiver I need to finish. Excepting of course the reason of gaining experience, why should I build my own flat if someone else can provide it easily for a reasonable price? I would not try to make the barrel simply because it requires a large lathe and quite frankly lathes scare the hell out of me. I have seen the pictures of what happened to people who weren't careful enough to simply wear the right clothes. Gruesome. I would be satisfied with assembling it from bought parts. Buying from others keeps the economy going, and my time, due to work, is limited. The bolt I will definitely try to build on my own; and, of course, if I can't find a flat I will have to build it from scratch. I'm okay with that, but I will check other sources first. Having said all that, I prefer to wait and see if my own FFL comes out with a good alternative. I only found out about his plans yesterday. What I saw of his unfinished receiver was exciting enough to make me wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 A one off home build would probably be easiest to weld up a reciever box. The bending jig takes a lot of effort, and I wouldn't go that far until after I had proven the design. The first one SHOULD be fugly! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1917 0 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Make it belt fed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 You're going to make the trunnions, bolt and bolt carrier etc? Ambitious project. No one makes an S-12 flat because it's different than the AK flat. Also, the trunnion is the serialized part. Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) You're going to make the trunnions, bolt and bolt carrier etc? Ambitious project. No one makes an S-12 flat because it's different than the AK flat. Also, the trunnion is the serialized part. Good luck. Like I said, I have foolish audacity. But if you never try, then you are guaranteed to get nothing. However, I decided yesterday to wait and see how my FFL's S12 project comes out. I believe that there intent is to make S12s' in a pistol configuration which is still legal, with the proper NFA forms, here in the Socialist Republic of California. When I examined their project, I saw that they were using a pipe creatively. I can't wait to see how they solve the problems you mentioned, although I believe they are investigating whether it would be legal for them to buy parts from Izhmash directly. Edited April 15, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 A one off home build would probably be easiest to weld up a reciever box. The bending jig takes a lot of effort, and I wouldn't go that far until after I had proven the design. The first one SHOULD be fugly! It so happens, "grin", that I have a hammer and I got an arc welder. Fugly is okay as long as it shoots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caspian 32 Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 You're going to make the trunnions, bolt and bolt carrier etc? Ambitious project. No one makes an S-12 flat because it's different than the AK flat. Also, the trunnion is the serialized part. Good luck. If it's a parts kit (demilled firearm), then the trunion being the serialized part is a moot point. As far as the ATF is concerned, the receiver is the serialized part and restricted/registered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 (edited) You're going to make the trunnions, bolt and bolt carrier etc? Ambitious project. No one makes an S-12 flat because it's different than the AK flat. Also, the trunnion is the serialized part. Good luck. If it's a parts kit (demilled firearm), then the trunion being the serialized part is a moot point. As far as the ATF is concerned, the receiver is the serialized part and restricted/registered. Hmmmm, again, it won't matter if I have to mill the trunnion excepting, of course, if I ever want to sell the thing in which case I will need to apply for my Class II just to do so. Also, I doubt that we will be seeing many S12 parts kits anytime soon-unless, hopefully, you actually know someone who is? Edited April 20, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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