Saigaczech 9 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I have a SCAR-16S that I am considering getting rid of. I am interested in hearing if I should go pick up a SGL-31 and get some cash back on the SCAR or if I should keep the SCAR. I am not entirely happy with the gas system take down and cleaning on the SCAR and would probably prefer the straight forward manual of arms of the Saiga. I have plenty of other 5.56 platforms so I do not really need the SCAR. Is there a good reason to keep the SCAR vs getting a 5.45x39 platform and some change? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Other than che drag, the only rifles I own are all AK74 variants including 2 SGL31's I don't know how good a SCAR16S actually is in the grand scheme but I can definitely say the SGL31 is a hell of a rifle, I'd take one for SHTF over anything else in a heartbeat except an SLR105. Z Edited April 25, 2011 by TX-Zen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Two good reasons... 1, Its made by FN, who has a long history of making some damn fine firearms, IMO! 2, We dont need another guy buying up surplus 5.45x39. Other then that, i'd go Kalashnikov. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 2, We dont need another guy buying up surplus 5.45x39. Other then that, i'd go Kalashnikov. Why would you want a $750 AK when you got a $2000 SCAR, so just keep moving along people nothing to see here just keep moving. This also pertains to the S-12 ,What you really need is a mossberg 500. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonking 149 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 If you perfer the ak design over the SCAR and don't mind cleaning after using corrosive ammo, go with the 5.45. Buy the gun and a lifetime supply of ammo, and still have money left over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a dorsal fin 2 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 If it were ME. I'd do in this order: 1.) Get out of the SCAR 5.56 and into a 7.62 one. 2.) Sell the SCAR, pick up an SLR-106FR and share ammo with your other 5.56 weapons (sounds like you have a few) 3.) Trade SCAR for an SGL-31 side-folder and buy a lot of ammo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Well, one of the reasons I want to trade in the SCAR is that I am beginning to have doubts as to the solidity of the folding stock. I want to go the SGL-31 route and buy a fixed stock version. Two, I hate the little detent pin one has to push to get at the SCAR piston, even with the suggested tool it does not push in easily. The SCAR is mag finicky only takes GI magazines as a basic rule, Lancer L5 magazines and PMags do not work properly in it and I do not want to be buying EMags for just one system. Also found out from a army buddy who has close contacts with the SOCOM community that the SCAR eats optics, especially red dot scopes, due to recoil impulses of the bolt carrier group and piston set up. Supposedly FNH has done a fix for SOCOM but I doubt I am eligible for the upgrade being a civilian puke now. Further there is parts availability and serviceability, parts for an AK are easier to find and install. Not interested in the SCAR 17 at all, especially as it take expensive proprietary magazines and the above concerns as to parts and such. I bought the SCAR on a lark but now am not as impressed as I was once. Just explaining why I am considering the switch. My gun safe is pretty full do this would make space for the new gun too. I think I have made up my mind to get rid of the SCAR, the question is to trade it or sell it to someone in a private sale. I have done some upgrades, like installing an AAC 18T Blackout so it's suppressor ready. I guess it will depend on the deal I can get for it. Edited April 25, 2011 by Saigaczech 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zero2epiphany 4 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Well, one of the reasons I want to trade in the SCAR is that I am beginning to have doubts as to the solidity of the folding stock. I want to go the SGL-31 route and buy a fixed stock version. Two, I hate the little detent pin one has to push to get at the SCAR piston, even with the suggested tool it does not push in easily. The SCAR is mag finicky only takes GI magazines as a basic rule, Lancer L5 magazines and PMags do not work properly in it and I do not want to be buying EMags for just one system. Also found out from a army buddy who has close contacts with the SOCOM community that the SCAR eats optics, especially red dot scopes, due to recoil impulses of the bolt carrier group and piston set up. Supposedly FNH has done a fix for SOCOM but I doubt I am eligible for the upgrade being a civilian puke now. Further there is parts availability and serviceability, parts for an AK are easier to find and install. Not interested in the SCAR 17 at all, especially as it take expensive proprietary magazines and the above concerns as to parts and such. I bought the SCAR on a lark but now am not as impressed as I was once. Just explaining why I am considering the switch. My gun safe is pretty full do this would make space for the new gun too. I think I have made up my mind to get rid of the SCAR, the question is to trade it or sell it to someone in a private sale. I have done some upgrades, like installing an AAC 18T Blackout so it's suppressor ready. I guess it will depend on the deal I can get for it. I have always thought of the scar as an uber mall ninja weapon. Costs a hell of alot, looks kind of funky and really does not seem to be better than anything else out there. But thats me. I am suprised about the mag issue. For that kind of cash I would expect it to work with any type of AR mag. I do find it interesting that uncle sam doesnt want anymore scars in 5.56. So if it was me I'd dump that thing. But I like nice N simple; straight forward things. Oh wait thats why I went saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Another vote for AK here.. Just can't beat em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 the AK is the only weapon i like more than the FN line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 If you aren't happy with it, eventually the cool factor wears off (if not already) and you won't take it out and shoot it, making it an expensive safe queen. I would sell it and get something that you will shoot and that puts a smile on your face. The Saiga 5.45's have negligible muzzle rise and super fast follow up shots combined with cheap effective ammo making it a winner in my book. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 If you decide to pedal it, and its FDE in color, then let me know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaxel60 3 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I have an 16s and some 5.45 aks. I usually grab the ak's when going out back to kick up some dirt, mainly due to the price of ammo. If the SHTF I think i would be grabbing the scar for its accuracy, reliability, and optics setup. That is the main advantage I see in the scar over the ak is there is plenty of room for a nice eotech or aimpoint and you still have your nice flip up peep sights. Plus you can have your chest rig set up for your scar and other 5.56 STANAG platforms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I know that if you shoot 3-gun competitions (like the MGM Ironman), MGM Targets is getting upset with all the steel-cored ammo out there, DQs anyone with ammo that sticks to a magnet *and* makes them buy targets. Since every spec for 5.45 I have seen is steel-core or steel-filler, that makes 5.45 a no-go for competition use. Which is a bummer, I'd been planning on getting a 5.45 for competition. For SHTF purposes, I think I'd rather have a 7.62x39, with hunting hollowpoints or Kalashocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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