saltydecimator 482 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 how ya liking the results? i heard one being fired at a c3 shoot last year, but i had my muffs on and it sounded loud. i think it was a redjacket product..... i am thinking about becoming a manufacturer, and i am looking for interest and such. what do yall think the sweet spot is for pricing? please post pics of yours if you have one suppressed, thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ram123 17 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Go to the Red Jacket website you can hear there suppressed S12 on there. My complaint of the suppressor is the length.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Red Jacket does this mod. if my memory serves me right, the first episode of Sons of Guns featured a Saiga with suppressor (and they quoted $2,500 for the gun and suppressor). they were able to bring down the sound level to about 144db (i think) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Go to the Red Jacket website you can hear there suppressed S12 on there. My complaint of the suppressor is the length.... I have handled one of their screw-on 12ga supressors. May as well mount an aluminum tee-ball bat to the weapon. Long is an understatement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lvkyle 9 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 haha what is this No Country for old men fan boys? Saiga 12 is meant to be loud and mean. pow pow pow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Loud is impolite. As far as I know, 144 isnt hearing safe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Loud is impolite. As far as I know, 144 isnt hearing safe 144 db is still like a jet engine and a rock concert on high. definitely bad for your hearing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommymn 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 What are they measuring at stock? 144 is still painful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) The one we made was easily shootable without hearing protection, and that was on an 8" gun. Edited June 30, 2011 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TO THE FLOOR IN A 63 121 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Suppressor ok...SBS won't fly. Or not for 2 years at least. maybe sbr next year. keep your fingers crossed boys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 What are they measuring at stock? 144 is still painful. i just got to clarify the 144 db, i mentioned was from the show sons of guns i watched quite a long time ago. i think they started to read around 180'ish when they started out. but then again, my memory can be wrong (time and again that's proven itself). maybe anyone who's got a DVD or copy of the 1st episode of sons of guns can confirm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 just say nooooooo! bob, got any vide-yo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommymn 0 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 180? I'll have to do some research. That's pretty high. 180 is four times perceived volume of 140. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewoketeer 35 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 to Tommymn-- ]keep in mind the dB scale is a logarimithmic scale. 180 dB is a lot more than 4x as 140 dB. That being said, what are the results of Tom Cole's suppressor? That one seems to be the most promising, and 4.5# on the end of an S12 would DEFINATELY be appreciated, as such items are considered a gentleman's accessory in Europe (so as not to annoy one's neighbors!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 ok i was wrong about my initial figures. here's a couple of snapshots from that suppressed S12 episode. final testing: but this was taken indoors on a very small tight space. so it may be different if shot outdoors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 144 is still loud. Notice threshhold of pain? I am saying there is room for improvement Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macdesign 0 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) Suppressor ok...SBS won't fly. Or not for 2 years at least. maybe sbr next year. keep your fingers crossed boys. Not to sidetrack the thread but, are you inplying there may be a change in WA law in regards to sbr, and sbs's or did I missread what you said. if so fingers are crossed big time. Edited July 10, 2011 by macdesign Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TO THE FLOOR IN A 63 121 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) Suppressor ok...SBS won't fly. Or not for 2 years at least. maybe sbr next year. keep your fingers crossed boys. Not to sidetrack the thread but, are you inplying there may be a change in WA law in regards to sbr, and sbs's or did I missread what you said. if so fingers are crossed big time. Sorry I don't know the correct terminology but...there were numbers issued for two bills to go in front of the WA legislature in the next session...2011/2012. One is to legalize SBR and the other was to legalize SBS. Unfortunately the paperwork for the SBS was not done correctly thus it is off the table. But the bill to restore our rights to own SBR is still out there. Edit: 2098 (2011-12) AN ACT Relating to short-barreled rifles 2099 (2011-12) AN ACT Relating to short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles I think 2099 was the one where there was a problem. Edited July 10, 2011 by TO THE FLOOR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 A 12 gauge shotgun has to be towards the top of the list of firearms that don't suppress well. I wouldn't expect much, but if you have a SBS you may want one for a change of pace every now and then. My question is, how does this effect the gas settings? If it's integral you can make the necessary modifications, but what about the crew on suppressors? Might be a good question for Will, because they are the only ones actually selling 12ga suppressors to my knowledge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewoketeer 35 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I would imagine the gas pressure needed to cycle the wpn would already be in the gas system b4 it gets 2 the suppessor. jmo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AtlSaiga 25 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I though suppressed guns were supposed to make that "pfffft pffffft" sound, or just a click of the action cycling. The idea is to defend my house from invaders or zombies in the middle of the night without waking my baby or the neighbors. not to mention loosing my ability to hear and communicate after shooting in a confided hallway. Plus, everybody knows gunfire draws more zombies, sooooooo? red jacket reducing from 170 to 144 is decent, but that's FAR from "suppressed." really, if you cant "silence" an S12, there just isn't a point. Maybe you can convince somebody to pay you money because they just want to have one, but in the end, you're not furthering the technology or innovating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I though suppressed guns were supposed to make that "pfffft pffffft" sound, or just a click of the action cycling. The idea is to defend my house from invaders or zombies in the middle of the night without waking my baby or the neighbors. not to mention loosing my ability to hear and communicate after shooting in a confided hallway. Plus, everybody knows gunfire draws more zombies, sooooooo? red jacket reducing from 170 to 144 is decent, but that's FAR from "suppressed." really, if you cant "silence" an S12, there just isn't a point. Maybe you can convince somebody to pay you money because they just want to have one, but in the end, you're not furthering the technology or innovating. Suppressed sounds in movies are not even close to what they area in real life. No Country for Old Men is fantasy and the small size of that suppressor is not going to suppress the large amount of gas a 12 gauge makes. If you are using most full power loads, you will have a sonic crack caused by the projectile exceeding the speed of sound, which by itself ranges from the mid 130's to the low 140's in decibels. 140 decibels is about the same as a full power .22 rifle going off (hearing safe, but still very loud). You need loads that are going around 1050 to 1100 fps to reliably stay under the sound barrier. Most full power slugs and buckshot are going to be over 1500 fps. Remember that the killing power of most rifle calibers is created through velocity (a .270 has a similar weight bullet to a .357 magnum, but it is going well over twice as fast). It is possible to make a 12 gauge hearing safe (and it ain't going to be 3 inches long since it is mainly a matter of containing the volume of gas propelling the projectile). So don't expect it to be the click of the hammer and a mousefart "pfft" as the only sound (that would be closer to 105-115 DB). Really good centerfire suppressors with tailored subsonic loads will sound like an airgun or nail gun going off. Subsonic .22's sound like a staple gun which is about as close as you can get to "the hammer click". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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