sly762 4 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I am sure this has been covered in the past but I could not find it. Sorry. I am currently in the market for a Saiga 12 but do the fact that I live in new york I am limited on the configuration and features that I am allowed. I have a few questions before I go ahead and buy it hopefully some of my fellow New Yorkers can help.1) My first question is what magazine capacity is allowed I know rifle's is 10 but I am told 5 unless I make it 922r compliant is this correct? 2) My understanding is that I am not allowed to have a pistol grip either So can I put a thumbhole stock? what are my options please show pictures if you have them. Thanks in advance for any help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I think these stocks are New York legal, http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/72675-found-em-again-bulgarian-bull-but-stocks/page__fromsearch__1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Yeah, Keep with the 5 round mags untill your 922r compliant, then you can run 10 round mags. No more than 10 though. I run the stocks you were linked to on all of my converted S-12s. When I do the last one that will make 3 S-12s with that stock. I highly recomend it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thanks guys I appreciate the feedback. Where can I find one? How much do they run. And do either of you have pics with it on the gun. Thanks again for the help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 pic is outdated, but you get the idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Thanks pic is outdated, but you get the idea. Is that definitely ny legal. If so thats perfect I don't mind converting it to make it fit. But I don't know if thats ok to have here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Also what hand guard is on those 12's ? Do they come with those sights? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rnemhrd 165 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) http://www.mississip...tock-p-420.html I have this as well it is one above about a pound heavier and is a little longer. Also Red Jacket used one of the advanced stocks on Mikey's gun on Sons of guns that Will brought up here to NY so I would say it's OK. http://dsc.discovery...ay-shotgun.html MAA is a BM so I hope it was ok to link. (doen't want a nail bomb in my mail box) Also the box of the Advanced tech says made in America but the stock has no stamp. It should be a 922r compliance part i guess. Not sure so I didn't use it in my parts count. I have the Bulgarian stock on my gun now. Edited December 8, 2011 by rnemhrd 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 http://www.mississip...tock-p-420.html I have this as well it is one above about a pound heavier and has a longer. Also Red Jacket used one of the advanced stocks on Mikey's gun on Sons of guns that Will brought up here to NY so I would say it's OK. http://dsc.discovery...ay-shotgun.html MAA is a BM so I hope it was ok to link. (doen't want a nail bomb in my mail box) Also the box of the Advanced tech says made in America but the stock has no stamp. It should be a 922r compliance part i guess. Not sure so I didn't use it in my parts count. I have the Bulgarian stock on my gun now. Thanks . makes me feel much better about the stock and I wont count as a compliant part either. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Also what hand guard is on those 12's ? Do they come with those sights? Thanks The top handguard is a chopped up and re welded chaos quad top with a stock chaos lower. The sights are H&K and the rear mount with the MP5 style rail is Tromix. The bottom is just a regular bolt on extended quad with AR BUIS. I have changed the setup on the bottom gun to a titan rail top and the Chaos iron sights. those sights on that platform is great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Also what hand guard is on those 12's ? Do they come with those sights? Thanks The top handguard is a chopped up and re welded chaos quad top with a stock chaos lower. The sights are H&K and the rear mount with the MP5 style rail is Tromix. The bottom is just a regular bolt on extended quad with AR BUIS. I have changed the setup on the bottom gun to a titan rail top and the Chaos iron sights. those sights on that platform is great. How much did you pay for the hand guard on the bottom one with the built in sights? And where did you get it? Is it made by chaos? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Yes the Bottom one is A chaos rail, and I ditched the AR BUIS in favor of the lower sitting(you'll want that) CHAOS H&K sights. http://www.chaosus.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=0000 If you run the Chaos quad and sights I would recomend getting a primary arms micro dot. They will cowitness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Just looked at the Chaos site. It seems some people have done some christmas shopping, He is on back order, and so is Carolina Shooter Supply, Mississippi Auto Arms, and Tac-47. Best bet if you want them is to hop on the list. They are in demand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Thanks nailbomb I really appreciate the help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nycGUNguy 61 Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Nice I really like the hand guards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I put this up on another site I am sorry to beat the dead horse but I need to make a decision asap. Honestly I want the one everyone has linked me to that our forum member is selling but I am weary of its legality. know this has been beaten to death but I m still unclear as to what stock I can put on my Saiga 12. After a long time of waiting and research I finally purchased my 1st S12. I have narrowed it down to 3 but only one really makes legal sense to me and it is the least desirable of the choices. I have been told they are all legal and told 1 is not. I will explain further. 1. RAA skeloten stock- http://store.a51tactical.com/index.p...oducts_id=1992 + pistol grip is clearly behind the reciever and all ny'ers say its legal/ - ugly and length of pull looks short 2. Kvar thumbhole- http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.ph...cat=367&page=3 looks true to thumbhole design for legality purpose / - requires fcg conversion putting "grip" area "beneath the action" 3. Choate mak-90-Draganuv stock- http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_pa...&NewProduct=0# + description says thumbhole and nicest looking / - Description says thumbhole but it clearly looks like a pistol grip also need fcg conversion putting the pistol grip below the action. I would like the choate style stock but really feel it may not be legal does anyone have experince useing any of the 3 and has anyone spoke to or heard any atf NY state ruleing on any of them? THanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) If you look at the above pictures by nyclu3, you will see he and Nailbomb (others too) use a stock similar to #3 that you listed. The ATF doesnt rule on state issues, since they are a Federal agency. You need too look at NY state law for a (blurry) description. Edited April 27, 2012 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 BLURRY indeed thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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sly762 4 Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I am definitely getting the stock. If it will be put on the 12 or the 762 I am not sure. Figure for $20 if it doesn't go on the 12 I can put it on one of my other AK's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I just looked at a post saying 922r part count went up. Is this true? If so what parts would I need to be compliant if I use the import stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey 21 Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 The K-Var Mak 90 thumbhole stock is not an easy fit nor is it quick and easy to make it fit on your Saiga12. This I know first hand 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 But it looks very, very good. Having done it myself, I think you're overstating the difficulty, though. It really isn't that hard to do with basic hand tools and good sharp chisels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey 21 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) Ya maybe your right I probably am but that thing took hours (at least for me) to do lol Edited April 30, 2012 by Whiskey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I gotta say, that's probably my favorite purchasable, NY legal stock. It's what I bought for measurements and a basic shape to copy, when I was building mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I hate living with these stupid NY gun laws! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I hate living with these stupid NY gun laws! You have a whole world of other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sly762 4 Posted May 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I hate living with these stupid NY gun laws! You have a whole world of other options. Such as? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I hate living with these stupid NY gun laws! You have a whole world of other options. Such as? The rest of the world. He was being quite literal... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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