lelandeod 179 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Thanks bro! By the way... I have solved the issue of how to remove the gas puck/tappet without a separate tool. Those sneeky Russians.... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Thanks bro! By the way... I have solved the issue of how to remove the gas puck/tappet without a separate tool. Those sneeky Russians.... Cool, gonna go try this now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svlwolf 2 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 What has to be done to use agp mags in my 030 magwell? Also has anyone attempted to install any type rail system on the 030? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) What has to be done to use agp mags in my 030 magwell? Also has anyone attempted to install any type rail system on the 030? Every time you put a rail on a Saiga, god kills a kitten. Seriously, the 030 already has a top rail. Edited March 5, 2012 by lelandEOD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) EODs trick for removing the gas puck worked like a charm. Just stick the BCG back on the rails and slip the tip of the Op rod into the puck groove and pull back on the charging handle. It does appear that's the reason the recess is cut into the end of the op rod. Too bad they failed to mention this in the manual. Edited March 5, 2012 by TwentyNizzo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 I ordered a 433 last month. Legion USA called me today, they are sending my 433 030 to my FFL. Should have it soon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 For 922r, I got around it by using a floorplate from this guy I am that guy. Happy to be of service. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svlwolf 2 Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Every time you put a rail on a Saiga, god kills a kitten. Seriously, the 030 already has a top rail. Maybe not! Seriously wouldnt any ak type rail hand guard fit?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Every time you put a rail on a Saiga, god kills a kitten. Seriously, the 030 already has a top rail. Maybe not! Seriously wouldnt any ak type rail hand guard fit?? Not necessarily. The S-12 barrel is much larger in diameter than the rifle. It will take some trial and error to find one that would work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Every time you put a rail on a Saiga, god kills a kitten. Seriously, the 030 already has a top rail. Maybe not! Seriously wouldnt any ak type rail hand guard fit?? s12 handguards have much larger internal openings than standard AK Opening up wood furniture is hard enough but plastic, there's not enough material to allow a larger cavity without breaking thru the sides 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macaholic 5 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 433-030 parts after conversion: buttstock pistol grip receiver trigger/hammer/disconnector trunion bolt carrier/bolt/op rod piston barrel foregrip muzzle attachment mag body mag follower mag floorplate Total: by my count that's 17 parts. I think it is 1 more than an AK rifle because of the separate piston and "op rod". I hope the US folks step up and make some parts like a US piston and foregrip for this gun or else it will be hard to use a factory magazine. EDIT: Assuming current part counts are correct with the iz-433, you have 17 potential parts to take into consideration. The muzzle attachment is the iffy portion on whether or not ATF see's a thread protector as an attachment per say but he's stated he's using a US made attachment. If the 433's op rod is the same as a regular S12 then you could potentially just install a tom cole rod. It's hard right now being the model is new to being imported here. At this point he would have the following imported parts: Receiver barrel mounting block bolt bolt carrier gas piston buttstock magazine body follower floor plate 10 foreign parts and perfectly legal with any magazine. But that would be replacing hand guard and op-rod on top of trigger, hammer, disconnector, & using a US pistol grip which he said he does for the moment. I don't see why we should have to do any of this parts changeing on perfectly functioning firearms. Repeal the fucking 922r already! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I agree with you, it's stupid... The gun doesn't know if a part is made in Izhevsk or Idaho... Most LEO wouldn't either... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macaholic 5 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) Well, I already have the AK-Builder trigger guard which I thought was the correct style prior to finding those photos. I pulled the screenshots of the strange TG from the Izhmash promotional video on the exp. ver. 030. I don't know if the confusion stems from my inadvertent mixing up of different models or if, as redcedar suggests, they are the result of prototyping and/or production changes. Either way, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize my conclusions as outright false, but I'm happy to see my AK-Builder TG is correct as far as some photos show. ...I wish I spoke Russian. This would be a lot easier. Either way, I didn't mean to hijack Ray's thread. Just figured we were operating on parallell paths. Well, I already have the AK-Builder trigger guard which I thought was the correct style prior to finding those photos. I pulled the screenshots of the strange TG from the Izhmash promotional video on the exp. ver. 030. I don't know if the confusion stems from my inadvertent mixing up of different models or if, as redcedar suggests, they are the result of prototyping and/or production changes. Either way, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize my conclusions as outright false, but I'm happy to see my AK-Builder TG is correct as far as some photos show. ...I wish I spoke Russian. This would be a lot easier. Either way, I didn't mean to hijack Ray's thread. Just figured we were operating on parallell paths. I thinkit's pretty obvious that both trigger gards have been used since there are photo's of both on this model S-12K. Either way, It looks like you are staying faithfull to the factory specs which I appreciate and respect. I too use the akbuilder S-12K trigger gards on my conversions, in order to keep with the correct look and feel of a true factory Saiga-12K. I also stay away from all the after market stocks and PG's that only serve to make a Saiga-12 look like it wants to be an AR-15 when it grows up. Keep up the good work in reproducing factory correct Saiga-12's. Edited May 6, 2012 by macaholic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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