unclejake 428 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. Sounds like they're gearing up to offer their assistance to Mexico in their war on the drug cartels... Wouldn't that be nice? Under combat conditions, that's not much ammo. Shit, if you use Vietnam stats to calculate number of rounds expended per confirmed kill, that'd only be enough ammo to kill about 2,250 people. Anyway, the contract is for up to 450,000,000 rounds. An extremely high upper limit does not indicate this many rounds will actually be purchased. Edited March 30, 2012 by Shandlanos 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. Sounds like they're gearing up to offer their assistance to Mexico drug cartels.. Fixed it for ya! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. My wife ran the numbers and she cam up with it being enough ammo to kill every US citizen 1.3 times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armory 142 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The other interesting aspect of the recent contracts put out is a large request for .223 ammo. Not 5.56. I wonder if that is due to some small police departments still using the mini-14?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 There aren't that many terrorist hiding out in the US so I doubt it has anything to do with them. The ATF was behind the guns going to the cartels, in an effort to promote more gun control, and failed in getting public sentiment to turn on the second ammendment. Since policy and under handed government policy have failed, perhaps they are preparing for the upcoming police state. The current administration didn't accidentally update the language in the martial law legislation. My opinion is that the government is prepping for mass insurrection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guns Are Great 140 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I would say its for making it harder to supply the market at large and prep agencies for the apparent agenda coming to ahead in the near future. The only thing the officials in the Govt hate worse than real freedom is the people who insist on it! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sian 14 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I wonder if that is due to some small police departments still using the mini-14?? Mini-14 eats 5.56 happily. Maybe they want something with a bit better terminal performance than 5.56 ball. XD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The other interesting aspect of the recent contracts put out is a large request for .223 ammo. Not 5.56. I wonder if that is due to some small police departments still using the mini-14?? Yep, that's the part that got me! Not 5.56, but 223. Either wanting to slow civilian orders (they will put all effort into govt contracts first), or they are planning on armimg a whole lot of non-military rifles. Either way, might be a good time to pick up an extra couple thousand rounds before it gets hard to get. I wish brass wasn't so dadblamed high, I would reload....right now, way cheaper to buy the pop and throw stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 In another thread, Olin is supposedly devoting its 5.56 line to a huge government contract. Hopefully I can find some decent deals at the Louisville gun show this weekend. Everyone locally seems to have a jacked up price and online isn't a lot better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) being the satanic, communist scum that they are. without honor or bravery. once under their control, they operate like this........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jekinMM1cAo&feature=fvwp&NR=1 .40 cal. pistol ammo is not for engaging in battles. Edited March 30, 2012 by DANE AXE 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 being the satanic, communist scum that they are. without honor or bravery. once under their control, they operate like this........http://youtu.be/jekinMM1cAo .40 cal. pistol ammo is not for engaging in battles. Amen, Dane!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The Gubmint is just trying to keep up with the rest of us Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 What movie is that video from? I assume the racist titles were added by the YouTuber, but the segments that had a "more than Windows Movie Maker" budget look pretty interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 polish film Katyn. this is suppressed history. like most real history. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Must be a 3 gun match nation wide with a hundred stages. Sign me up for 40 S&W 160 grain, .223 in 62 grain, and 20 ga with 1 oz loads of #7 1/2. (throw me in some extra rounds sometimes I miss) P.S. don't squad me with a bunch of assholes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 That would be pretty badass. Imagine if there were a national shooting event in the US as well-attended as Schützenfest is in Switzerland. Practical considerations aside, that'd be about 2 million shooters! I might have to take a look at that movie. The story of the Eastern European countries in WWII, especially Poland, is unfortunately undertaught. I first became aware of the Katyn Forest itself while studying White supremacists. While William Pierce saw this, as with almost every other ill he could name, as part of a Jewish conspiracy, I suspect that it is more due to a sense of shame or confusion surrounding the West's complicity in their plight during what is otherwise one of our nation's most heroic undertakings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 being the satanic, communist scum that they are. without honor or bravery. once under their control, they operate like this........ .40 cal. pistol ammo is not for engaging in battles. Not for a military battle, but a police action .40 cal is more a more commonly used caliber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. My wife ran the numbers and she cam up with it being enough ammo to kill every US citizen 1.3 times. If you include in Canada it's still not 1 to 1. That's why I threw in the dogs and horses. Not that I think that is in their plans, I just said that to illistrate what a huge amount of ammunition that is in one pistol caliber. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildogdakota 804 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Was looking at the Drudge Report today and this headline jumped out at me The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets Read more: http://www.businessi...3#ixzz1qa6HhoNs Now, what does the Dept of Homeland Defence need with all that ammo...and that;s just for .40 cal pistol ammo, not counting the /223 rifle ammo! It's hard to imagine what they could want that kind of quantity for. That's enough pistol ammunition to kill every man, woman, child, dog and horse in the United States and Canada. They must have had a lot of money left over they had to either spend or give back to the taxpayers. My wife ran the numbers and she cam up with it being enough ammo to kill every US citizen 1.3 times. That would be one shot, 1.3 kills, as long as they are accurate with every shot. I was starting to think maybe they bought that much ammo because I kept avoiding the Census lady back in 2010! (LOL). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razorback 72 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Anyone remember when they awarded olin a contract for 200 million rounds in 2009? The contract was for a 5 year purchase and there were several threads here about it, it just can't seem to find them yet. Seemed like a lot of ammo but when spread across all of the DHS agencies and training over 5 years it wasn't really an overly large amount. http://www.gunreport...ICE_1460-1.html edited to add link and correct reference to DHS and add link to forum post by Bounce12 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/48174-winchester-to-supply-200-million-rounds-to-dhs/ Edited March 30, 2012 by Razorback Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armory 142 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I wonder if that is due to some small police departments still using the mini-14?? Mini-14 eats 5.56 happily. Maybe they want something with a bit better terminal performance than 5.56 ball. XD Some of the mini-14's procured by Law Enforcement were the Target Models made for the .223 only. Don't really know why, but they are specified as .223 and .223 only. Guess if you bought all .223 it would fit all the local LEO weapons and not confuse people, maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I wonder if that is due to some small police departments still using the mini-14?? Mini-14 eats 5.56 happily. Maybe they want something with a bit better terminal performance than 5.56 ball. XD Some of the mini-14's procured by Law Enforcement were the Target Models made for the .223 only. Don't really know why, but they are specified as .223 and .223 only. Guess if you bought all .223 it would fit all the local LEO weapons and not confuse people, maybe? They're probably specified as .223 only because they're target rifles cut with a .223 "match chamber" or whatever marketing BS they use to describe it. Either way it most likely is NOT a hybrid chamber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armory 142 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 They're probably specified as .223 only because they're target rifles cut with a .223 "match chamber" or whatever marketing BS they use to describe it. Either way it most likely is NOT a hybrid chamber. OK,..... But still I ask the question.....why order specifically 175 million rounds of .223 and not 5.56? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guns Are Great 140 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) being the satanic, communist scum that they are. without honor or bravery. once under their control, they operate like this........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jekinMM1cAo&feature=fvwp&NR=1 .40 cal. pistol ammo is not for engaging in battles. Very powerful video. Remember Bill Ayers' family paid for Obama's education thinking he was a foreign student according to claims on WND or Inforwars a week or so ago. Bill Ayers is apart of the weather Underground terrorist group. This group told an under cover FBI agent they would need to kill 25 million people back then and now that would be 50-100 million. That same group is organizing with other groups and they all have the ear of the president. Our Govt has done some bad stuff also, they gave small pox blankets to the Indians, Syphillis to the Blacks to see it run its course, and several other thing to eskimos. Allow egypt to torture for them? maybe? If you don't think they would kill you then you might need to rethink your position. Our govt also knowingly made ships carrying Jews return to Germany controlled areas were they would be killed also! Atleast 6 ship loads by FDR! All I'm really saying is the people in our Govt. are as corrupt and Evil as any. We just have had a mostly free society that didn't trust them and owned guns and believed in a Christian God. Much of that has changed is all I'm saying. Edited March 30, 2012 by Guns Are Great 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 According to wiki, DHS has 200,000 employees. Assuming that 25k (completely arbitrary number I made up) of them to use a service pistol in there duties, that amount of ammo over the 5 year period divides out to 3600 rounds per year per person. Make of it what you will; I don't find it alarming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guns Are Great 140 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) According to wiki, DHS has 200,000 employees. Assuming that 25k (completely arbitrary number I made up) of them to use a service pistol in there duties, that amount of ammo over the 5 year period divides out to 3600 rounds per year per person. Make of it what you will; I don't find it alarming. Not alarming really. I mean look at all the Govt/military surplus ammo folks buy. I've probably shot that much or close (3600) in a matter of weeks. It's just a sign people no longer trust the Govt. and that is a good thing. BUT DON'T FORGET, HE WANTS A CIVILIAN ARMY AS TRAINED AND FUNDED AS THE MILITARY TO KEEP YOU IN CHECK AND HIM SAFE? WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE? HITLER, MOUSSILINI, STALIN,PUTIN, CASTRO, CHAVEZ, WHO? Edited March 30, 2012 by Guns Are Great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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