Know The Enemy - In Their Own Words

[Squishy 1,149]

While many of these statements are enough to get the blood pressure up of most any Gun Rights advocate I feel it is important to be aware of what the enemies of the 2nd Amendment and gun ownership are thinking in their own words. While many of these statements are illogical, irrational and sometimes laughable, be aware that for the most part these quotes are not from the man on the street or call ins to talk radio, these are people with political power.

 

And with the vast resource of the American taxpayer they do have influence and are able to stand center stage with the cameras rolling to convey these messages to the American public. Many of these statements were uttered years ago. But to determine one's true intent, I would rather look at what was said "back then" than to take politically expedient current statements as an indicator.

 

Often when what are called "common sense" gun laws are proposed it is said that these measures are reasonable and that most rational people would accept or agree with their intent. And by themselves they do seem to make sense or seem to do no harm to honest, law abiding citizens. So the question becomes why do Gun Rights advocates and pro Gun Rights organizations oppose them? The answer is that these seemingly harmless laws are part of a larger more far reaching strategy of "Death by a Thousand Cuts" and in their own words it is easy to see;

 

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno - Clinton Administration Attorney General

 

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" - Charles Schumer (b. 1950) - quoted on NBC, December 8, 1993

 

"I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." Barbara Fass - Stockton, CA Mayor - ABC News Special, Peter Jennings: Guns - 1991-04-11

 

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. Of course, it's true that politicians will then go home and say, "This is a great law. The problem is solved." And it's also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we'll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with a half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of *all* handguns and *all* handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal." - Nelson T. "Pete" Shields - "A Reporter At Large: Handguns", New Yorker, at 53, 58 - Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc. - 1976-07-26

 

"Gun violence won't be cured by one set of laws. It will require years of partial measures that will gradually tighten the requirements for gun ownership, and incrementally change expectations about the firepower that should be available to ordinary citizens." - New York Times - 1993-12-21

 

"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." - Lenin (1870-1924) - "The Beginning of the Revolution in Russia"

 

"All we ask for is registration, just like we do for cars." - Charles Schumer - has sworn an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution

 

"I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun. I also believe that every new handgun sale or or transfer should be listed in a national registry, such as Chuck [senator Schumer] is proposing." - Hillary Clinton - 2000

 

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"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." - Mao Tse Tung - Problems of War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938

 

"The thought that average citizens will somehow be better able to successfully defend themselves more effectively than our nation's trained professionals is absurd." - Handgun Control, Inc. - Official statement from Handgun Control, Inc.

 

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned." - Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

 

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." - Rahm Emmanuel

 

"I don't believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness... The Constitution doesn't count!" - John Silber - Speech before the Quequechan Club, MA., 8/16/1990

 

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." - Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) - Gun owner with concealed carry permit

 

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." - Howard Metzenbaum (1917-2008)

 

"I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers ...no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun." - Dean Morris - Director, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration - Testimony to Congress

 

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin (1870-1924)

 

"There are some weapons that are just so dangerous that society has a right and the obligation even to take those weapons out of circulation." - Jim Florio

 

"There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . . Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . . Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order." - signed by Henry Cisneros and Kurt Schmoke - Communitarian Network's The Case for Domestic Disarmament - HC is the Former Secretary of HUD, KS was Baltimore Mayor

 

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis

 

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." - Diane Feinstein - 60 Minutes episode

 

"Why should America adopt a policy of near-zero tolerance for private gun ownership? Because it's the only alternative to the present insanity. Without both strict limits on access to new weapons and aggressive efforts to reduce the supply of existing weapons, no one can be safer. ... [W]ho can still argue compellingly that Americans can be trusted to handle guns safely? We think the time has come for America to tell the truth about guns. They are not for us. We cannot handle them." - Editorial, Taming The Monster: Get Rid of the Guns, Los Angeles Times, B6 - 1993-12-28

 

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." - Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945)

 

"We protect aspirin bottles in this country better than we protect guns from accidents by children." - Gloria Estefan

 

"If I had my way, sporting guns would be strictly regulated, the rest would be confiscated." - Nancy Pelosi

 

"The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves." - Dianne Feinstein - U.S. Senator (D-CA)

 

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..." - Charles Schumer (b. 1950) - quoted on NBC, November 30, 1993

 

"I honestly think - and I am not an expert on the amendments - I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say, 'Sorry. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison." - Rosie O'Donnell

 

"I want to make it as hard as possible. Gun owners would have to be evaluated by how they scored on written and firing tests, and have to pass the tests in order to own a gun. And I would tax the guns, bullets and the license itself very heavily." - Joycelyn Elders

 

"No, we're not looking at how to control criminals... we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns." - Howard Metzenbaum

 

"I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people." - Michael Bloomberg - NYC Mayor

 

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - Joseph Biden - quoted by AP - U.S. Senator - 1993-11-18

 

"Why are guns the only unregulated consumer products in America? We regulate toy guns and teddy bears, but we do not regulate a product that kills 4,600 children a year." - Marian Wright Edelman - Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1999

 

"What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned." - Howard Metzenbaum

 

"Any 18 year old can walk into a gun store, pawn shop or gun show and buy a handgun." - Al Gore - almost 30 years after the Gun Control Act of 1968 set the age to buy a handgun from a FFL at 21. - U.S. Vice President

 

"Repealing the Second Amendment is no cause for the faint-hearted, but it remains the only way for liberals to trigger an honest debate on the future of our bullet-plagued society. So what if anti-gun advocates have to devote the next 15 or 20 years to the struggle? The cause is worth the political pain. Failing to take bold action condemns all of us to spend our lives cringing in terror every time we hear a car backfire." Walter Shapiro - USA Today column - 1999-09-17

 

"The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business." - New York Times - 1975-09-24

 

"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose." - Janet Reno

 

"The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of most handguns and assault weapons from the United States. CSGV seeks to ban handguns and assault weapons from importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, ownership, posession and use by the general, American public. Reasonable exceptions would be made for the police, military, security officers, and gun clubs where the guns are secured on the club's premises. Gun dealers would also be permitted to trade in antique and collectable weapons kept and sold in inoperable condition. Hunting weapons, such as shotguns and rifles would un affected by these bans,as those weapons do not pose a large threat to the American public in comparason to handguns and assault weapons." - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence - Recruiting flyer

 

"If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns..." - Richard Daley - Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C. - Chicago Mayor - 1998-11-13

 

"As you know, my position is we should ban all handguns, get rid of them, no manufacture, no sale, no importation, no transportation, no possession of a handgun." - John H. Chafee - U.S. Senator (R-RI)

 

"We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose." - Major Owens - Democrat Congressman

 

"If it were up to me we'd ban them all." - Mel Reynolds - Democrat Congressman - CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993

 

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...that we are unable to think about reality." - William Jefferson Clinton (or as I like to call him, "BJ BILL")

 

"Gun traffickers have found a new avenue for dealing guns to criminals, to the mentally ill, and the under-aged--the Internet. The firepower available on the Internet is chilling. Machine guns, assault weapons and cheaply made pistols are available in cyberspace for the taking. And they are available to those who could never buy a gun under the Brady law." - Charles Schumer - U.S. Senator - 1999-03-16

 

"...the NRA, which is an extremist organization...believe people should be allowed to have bazookas and tanks...(another statement during the same debate) "...the only people who use them [so-called assault weapons] are mass murderers..." - Charles Schumer - PBS debate with Bill McCollum - 1996

 

"You need the will to disarm the civilian population. If we can do it in Somalia, we can do it here." Mary McGrory - Liberal Journalist and Columnist - Arizona Daily Star, March 11, 1993 p. A16

 

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons -- anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun -- can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." - Josh Sugarman - 1988, Violence Policy Center

 

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country." - Mayor (and crackhead) Marion Barry, Washington, DC

 

"If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own hand guns..." Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C., November 13, 1998.

 

"We recoil in horror and search for explanations, but we never face up to the obvious preventive measure: a ban on the handy killing machines that make crimes so easy." Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center, Seattle and Honolulu shootings more reasons to regulate guns, (1999).

 

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime." -- Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

 

"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." -- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

 

"This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the [1994] Assault Weapons Ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction we've seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico." - Eric Holder - U.S. Attorney General - 2012-02-02 - Holder goes on to mention a current bill by Ms. Malloney that the administration feels is a good starting point for new gun legislation

 

“But the Second Amendment, the cornerstone of the NRA’s BS, is not relevant today. It was ratified in relation to state militias in 1791 and has no meaning in today’s world. The ‘right to keep and bear arms’ does not mean you can own a heat-seeking missile or a nuclear bomb, does it? . . . The redcoats are not coming. But the rednecks are. And when they say that the Second Amendment protects them from a ‘tyrannical’ federal government, they are more than delusional. The U.S. military is so big, Mitt Romney’s annual ‘income’ couldn’t buy lunch at the Pentagon, especially if Paul Ryan’s budget passes.” – John Watson, Wilkes-Barre (PA) Times Leader, Only thing to fear is NRA’s fear tactic itself

 

"Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them." - Charles Schumer - statement before the House Subcommittee on Crime - U.S. Representative (D-NY) - 1995-04-05

 

"I'm consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry." - Barrack Obama - IL State Senator - 2004-04-27

 

"I think it's a scandal that this president (Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban." - Barrack Obama - Illinois Senate Debate #3 - 2004-10-21

 

"I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers lobby." - Barrack Obama - The Audacity of Hope - Senator (D-IL) - 2006

 

"I just want you to know that we are working on it," [sarah] Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar." - Barrack Obama - meeting between Jay Carney, Jim Brady, Sarah Brady, and President Obama, quoted in the Washington Post, 2011-04-12

[storm6490 2,768]

Best thing to do would be support American made firearms by going out and purchasing a new pistol or rifle every year. Or every month or week if you can.

 

The industry will protect us more than the NRA will these days. They all lobby to keep us from ending up like Germany before the Nazi killed our brothers.

 

Link to Nazi gun control. Good read....

 

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html

[Lone Eagle 839]

And the SCOTUS silenced them all in one statement

 

DC vs Heller

 

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." Pp. 2–53.

[Squishy 1,149]

And the SCOTUS silenced them all in one statement

 

DC vs Heller

 

This is true.

 

But the balance of the court can change and it's my understanding that the SCOTUS can in essence reverse a decision on an earlier case by making a contradictory decision on a current case. And there are differences of opinion as to whether or not laws like the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban violated the 2nd Amendment. The Heller decision came after this ban so any new attempt to pass a ban may have a harder time of it.

 

My intent with including the quotes above is to give some insight as to the mindset and tactics Anti Gun Rights fanatics might use. I learned a long time ago to never say "Never" and I believe this issue to too important to not remain vigilant no matter how favorable things look at any given point in time.

[Wolverine 10,360]

Now that Obama has been re-elected you can count on a drive for more gun control legislation. Let's hope the House does not cave or compromise. Those that voted for Obama have made a terrible mistake, and we're all going to pay the price. Watch the executive orders, the appointments and influence peddling. It's a train wreck in the making. We are no longer a center right country. We are becoming like Western Europe. What has happened to the country I grew up in? This is not freedom, it's government control. God help us because we are outnumbered.

[BpS12 512]

Squishy, would you mind if I copied you opening post to my Facebook page? Or at least the quotes. However, your preceding comments are some very articulate and well reasoned arguments, that put the whole in perspective.

[mgconnor13 206]

I agree that the industry will be our greatest friends in this fight because it is what they do for a living. Buying does two things, puts more ammo/ guns in our hands and gives the industry more money to lobby and lawyer up.

[U.S. Pratorean 1,234]

Here is what I don't understand: Our govt. is now a total joke, we might as well be assghanistan. It is a hollywood, celebrity, fake, hollow organization headed by a totally inept hollywood fabrication. The media is the enemy because they fooled the millions of birdbrained Americans that actually believe the BS they dish out. Anything done, legislation wise, will be done ONLY because it looks good or politically correct, ie guncontrol. OK, all and any guns are outlawed, the economy bottoms out and the obama depression becomes a reality, people can't get food or water, kind of like now in Jersey, NY. Now the liberal progressive utopia ends because violence WILL insue and make no mistake when that ends those responsible and their families will pay the price. Pol pot US style in reverse. Here in Texas the sheriff can and will supercede any federal regulation that invites this crap. This is what will happen, they will not have the chance to reform the US and eliminate the constitution like they envision. It will be a total disaster the like this country has never seen. You think the civil war was bad............... So I don't understand why these liberal progressive Fu*kheads pursue this. They will ultimately lose.

[mostholycerebus 415]

[Squishy 1,149]

Squishy, would you mind if I copied you opening post to my Facebook page? Or at least the quotes. However, your preceding comments are some very articulate and well reasoned arguments, that put the whole in perspective.

 

I don't mind your using anything you wish. The point is to get this information and these arguments out to as many as is possible.

 

This my second post since the election and like many I've been trying to make sense of it all. And predictably I'm seeing anyone and everyone being blamed for how things turned out. But it is what it is and while detailed analysis should be done to find the root causes and address them, I firmly believe we, that's YOU and I are going to have to step up our game, become more involved and work the system in ways we haven't in the past. This is what "they" do and it paid off.

 

So a period of mourning and coming to terms with what has happened is to be expected. But I for one refuse to give up, throw in the towel and consider the cause lost.

 

As long as one man is willing to stand and fight, the war is not over. And I'm willing to bet that way more than one are ready to pick up the flag and move forward into the breech. There are dark days ahead there is no doubt. But this is not the first time Freedom, Liberty and the Republic have been at risk. And I will not allow what so many have shed blood for and died for to be taken away without a fight.

 

Yeah, to many this will be seen as just more keyboard warrior, jingoistic bluster and that's fine. I say underestimate me and the true patriots in this country at your own peril. We're backed into a corner but as Chesty Puller said "We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem!"

Edited November 8, 2012 by Squishy

[thebuns1 4,323]

And the SCOTUS silenced them all in one statement

 

DC vs Heller

 

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." Pp. 2–53.

 

They did the same thing in the Chicago case, but has anything really changed there?

[belt fed frog 56]

Squishy,

If you look at it on a county by county level aside from a few states we surround Them en mass yes they have more people but who is really holding the big stick ? We are !

[Squishy 1,149]

Squishy,

If you look at it on a county by county level aside from a few states we surround Them en mass yes they have more people but who is really holding the big stick ? We are !

 

Good point. I was speaking in a political sense more than literal but you're correct.

[belt fed frog 56]

i find the whole zombie apocalypse ideal funny but it is a true analogy of what those of us in those counties will have to deal with and they will act like zombies as they trickle out of their bastion`s into the surrounding country side ! You only have to look at the aftermath of Sandy and you will see how true it is ,how quickly !

[Syndicate 812]

Best thing to do would be support American made firearms by going out and purchasing a new pistol or rifle every year. Or every month or week if you can.

 

The industry will protect us more than the NRA will these days. They all lobby to keep us from ending up like Germany before the Nazi killed our brothers.

 

Link to Nazi gun control. Good read....

 

http://constitutiona...ftist/id14.html

Amen brother

[RobRez 1,895]

I wonder what type of record is kept from "background checks" being that Montana has no registration of firearms. I would imagine we are on the list of gun owners even without registration requirements. They just may not know the exact type......until transaction records at the gun shop are "Inspected."

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

Squishy, would you mind if I copied you opening post to my Facebook page? Or at least the quotes. However, your preceding comments are some very articulate and well reasoned arguments, that put the whole in perspective.

 

I don't mind your using anything you wish. The point is to get this information and these arguments out to as many as is possible.

 

This my second post since the election and like many I've been trying to make sense of it all. And predictably I'm seeing anyone and everyone being blamed for how things turned out. But it is what it is and while detailed analysis should be done to find the root causes and address them, I firmly believe we, that's YOU and I are going to have to step up our game, become more involved and work the system in ways we haven't in the past. This is what "they" do and it paid off.

 

So a period of mourning and coming to terms with what has happened is to be expected. But I for one refuse to give up, throw in the towel and consider the cause lost.

 

As long as one man is willing to stand and fight, the war is not over. And I'm willing to bet that way more than one are ready to pick up the flag and move forward into the breech. There are dark days ahead there is no doubt. But this is not the first time Freedom, Liberty and the Republic have been at risk. And I will not allow what so many have shed blood for and died for to be taken away without a fight.

 

Yeah, to many this will be seen as just more keyboard warrior, jingoistic bluster and that's fine. I say underestimate me and the true patriots in this country at your own peril. We're backed into a corner but as Chesty Puller said "We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem!"

 

Thanks I don't know how I missed this thread. Well yes I do I was insanely busy and haven't been spending time on the forum.

This is exactly the kind of collection of info I'm looking for in the thread I started last night. I will be sharing it with the retards who are in denial, as well as the good folks like us who need to read it and look out. I'm also looking for the actual wording of the current legislation they are trying to push through. I saw it posted here once where the newly written AWB they want to pass was spelled out word for word. It included all semi autos if I remember right. And maybe even other firearms??

[thebuns1 4,323]

I found this article interesting.

 

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/turn-them-over-feinstein-moves-to-ban-all-assault-rifles-high-capacity-magazines-and-pistol-grips_11072012

[Squishy 1,149]

Here are a couple more you may have missed also;

 

Words To The Wise - Gun Rights Quotes

 

Guns Save Lives!

 

Be advised that there is some difference of opinion with regard to some of the statistics in the "Guns Save Lives" thread but nothing invalidates the central message and that is guns save more lives (in the deterrence of crime, i.e. robbery, rape, assault etc.) in this country every year than they take (accidental shootings, a gun being used by a criminal on it's owner etc).

 

As I've said I believe it's time for all of us to get off our collective asses and do more than pay lip service to what we believe and to rant and rave about injustice as we see it but do nothing.

 

One thing we can do is change the opinions of many who are uninformed, ill informed and just plain ignorant about the facts surrounding Gun Rights. I make this statement publicly so I can be held accountable for it, my intention is to develop a resource online to provide facts, counter arguments and the truth about the 2nd Amendment, Gun Control and Gun Rights and make it readily available to anyone and everyone. It will not be the first such thing to be done but it's my opinion that now more than ever before we cannot have enough ammunition either literally or figuratively.

 

This is a war of rhetoric and the left in general and anti gun rights operatives specifically are very skilled in how to wage it. I personally will no longer sit back and hope someone else does the heavy lifting in this.

 

This is a righteous cause.

 

"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!"

~ Patrick Henry

Edited November 8, 2012 by Squishy

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Here is what I don't understand: Our govt. is now a total joke, we might as well be assghanistan. It is a hollywood, celebrity, fake, hollow organization headed by a totally inept hollywood fabrication. The media is the enemy because they fooled the millions of birdbrained Americans that actually believe the BS they dish out. Anything done, legislation wise, will be done ONLY because it looks good or politically correct, ie guncontrol. OK, all and any guns are outlawed, the economy bottoms out and the obama depression becomes a reality, people can't get food or water, kind of like now in Jersey, NY. Now the liberal progressive utopia ends because violence WILL insue and make no mistake when that ends those responsible and their families will pay the price. Pol pot US style in reverse. Here in Texas the sheriff can and will supercede any federal regulation that invites this crap. This is what will happen, they will not have the chance to reform the US and eliminate the constitution like they envision. It will be a total disaster the like this country has never seen. You think the civil war was bad............... So I don't understand why these liberal progressive Fu*kheads pursue this. They will ultimately lose.

 

 

Libtards are like children in this regard. You tell a child not to touch a hot stove, but they decide they smarter than you, the experienced and proven adult. They grab the stove and get the shit burned out of their hand. Then the child gets mad at you for getting burned like it's your fault. They learn not to do it anymore, but they still blame you. Libtards will fail and take us with them, but int the end they will still blame conservatives. We can not win against that mind set.

[Jpanzer 1,265]

I for one, am not going to work myself into a apoplectic fit over this. It's out of our hands friends. Buy what firearms and ammo you can while you can, that's all any of us can do. And if it comes down to confiscation, I hope most of the folks on this board will make it as hard as possible on those who try to disarm US citizens.

 

But if the election this week taught me anything, it's that in this nation the majority of people are too damn stupid to know or care what happens anywhere other than on their television. Tend to your own needs now friends, don't worry about the herd of clamoring sheep being led to their slaughter...

Edited November 8, 2012 by Jpanzer

[Squishy 1,149]

I disagree that there is nothing that can be done and that it's a hopeless cause. If the gun grabbers are the only ones talking then you can expect those who know no better to sympathize with their views. Any one who's been shooting and using firearms for any length of time can tell you stories about witnessing someone becoming enlightened when they learn the truth, there are many such stories on this board. But for this to happen someone must be willing to make the effort. Ignorance is not a permanent condition unless you want it to be.

 

But I learned a long time ago I cannot forcibly change someone else's mind, even someone I agree with. All anyone can do is what you feel you have to do. I personally will not accept that it's ok for those who would infringe on my rights to go unchallenged. And it's interesting that the idea of doing something about it meets with resistance, on a gun board of all places.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Squishy

[Lone Eagle 839]

I wonder what type of record is kept from "background checks" being that Montana has no registration of firearms. I would imagine we are on the list of gun owners even without registration requirements. They just may not know the exact type......until transaction records at the gun shop are "Inspected."

 

When they call the NCIC Hotline, the only info on the weapon they get over the phone is quantity purchased and type(handgun or long gun). The gun info is logged in the bound book itself. Now in a free state like MT, selling it to a private party requires no paperwork or background check. These are the sales that make a total confiscation virtually impossible. No paperwork, no trace.

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Try all you want to change minds and win hearts if you want, but don't be too discouraged when you find out it wont matter. The time for negotiating and influencing politicians to back gun owners is quickly going the way of the dinosaur.

 

Obamba and crew do as they wish without mandate or law to back them up. 95% of the politicians will bend the knee to keep themselves in power. We the people is now we the sheeple. All you have to do is look at this map:

 

 

Our friends or at least those who sympathize with our cause are in the red. I see a hell of a lot more red on this map than I do blue. But the small amount of blue is calling the shots for all the rest of us. And from where I'm sitting that's why there isn't a hell of a lot we can do. We will never change those people over to our way of thinking.

 

My ancestors came to that same conclusion in 1861...

Edited November 9, 2012 by Jpanzer

[thebuns1 4,323]

It is what it is. Its pretty obvious now that Obama will fullfill his agenda with no term left, and gun control will be a part of that agenda. His whole first term was rather sly, putting in place the measures for his implementaion of it. Why do you guys think the treaty was basically dropped this past summer? I feel it was to wait until after the election to see whether or not it has a chance. Now it has more of a chance than it ever did.

 

Its pretty clear what way the wind will blow in the coming months. And thats scary. All I can say is adapt and overcome. Keep doing what you've been doing fellas. Theres little we can do at this point. Just make sure you guys know your line in the sand, and stick to it while looking out for eachother.

[Squishy 1,149]

We will never change those people over to our way of thinking.

One thing is for sure without a doubt, we never will if we don't try.

 

And if just one person becomes aware of the importance of their God given, inalienable right to defend themselves I'll feel it was worth the effort. I see that my friend from the Volunteer State has expressed a sentiment and I'm right with him. We're brothers in this thing and we all must do what we feel is right for us.

[Donkeyshins 87]

Try all you want to change minds and win hearts if you want, but don't be too discouraged when you find out it wont matter. The time for negotiating and influencing politicians to back gun owners is quickly going the way of the dinosaur.

 

Obamba and crew do as they wish without mandate or law to back them up. 95% of the politicians will bend the knee to keep themselves in power. We the people is now we the sheeple. All you have to do is look at this map:

 

 

Our friends or at least those who sympathize with our cause are in the red. I see a hell of a lot more red on this map than I do blue. But the small amount of blue is calling the shots for all the rest of us. And from where I'm sitting that's why there isn't a hell of a lot we can do. We will never change those people over to our way of thinking.

 

My ancestors came to that same conclusion in 1861...

 

Well, considering that the blue areas are far more densely populated than the red, you shouldn't be surprised at all. There's a whole lotta empty nothing in parts of the Midwest, Mountain West and Texas.

 

-D