Anubis 38 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Gunna go ahead and edit all this out. Like I said I got into the wrong. Edited January 24, 2013 by Anubis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Armand Willis 4 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 no, it just coincidently looks a whole lot like the tromix part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) .. Edited January 24, 2013 by Anubis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Like I said before , IF we started making tires , YOU would complain that they are ROUND and made of RUBBER ! If you made your stuff instead of getting it from china you would understand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KIRCH76 12 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 The tromix stock adapter looks nothing like t&n. Also who cares if his looks the same... There is only so many ways to skin a cat... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ah, got it. Sorta like the similarity between their buttstock adapters. You know, a book comes to mind... http://ecimages.kobobooks.com/Image.ashx?imageID=CPNiN9P1vEGzxTxLu-euTw&Type=Full I'll be watchin for your comments on the FB lower . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nice TROLL acct. BTW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) .. Edited January 24, 2013 by Anubis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I guess you can complain again when our trigger comes out. As well as our Tac Bolt handle. Still waitin on the lower complaint . . . . . . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Troll account? It's no secret that I work for Firebird. I was more concerned with the fact that "your" pistol grip adapter is dimensionally identical to Tromix's. If you'll notice, I didn't claim you copied Firebird's adapter because you didn't, ours is entirely different. On another note, all of our products are proudly made in the USA, try again. Wait, so you're saying a AR-15 grip adapter has the same dimensions? Don't AR-15 Grips and AR-15 lowers also share this same set of dimensions? Isn't that what the standard is all about? Did firebird copy Akadal's lower design? Lots of matching dimensions and design aspects. Didn't Armalite design that and then sell the patent to Colt which is now long since expired? I find it in poor taste to be lodging these attacks like this in public on a board you are both paying advertisers on. For one, it's not your fight - it's Tromix's. If they have an issue they should contact T&N directly to see if they can resolve it. I would hope Jim wouldn't approve of this behavior. Edited January 23, 2013 by ec4321 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Yes, it's silly, I'm done with it . Movin on ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Haycock 9 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 You do realize that most of that part has to be a certain dimension to fit an AR grip right? Get a life... Is Tooth and Nail selling Tromix's pistol grip adapter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Troll account? It's no secret that I work for Firebird. I was more concerned with the fact that "your" pistol grip adapter is dimensionally identical to Tromix's. If you'll notice, I didn't claim you copied Firebird's adapter because you didn't, ours is entirely different. On another note, all of our products are proudly made in the USA, try again. Wow, if all the people that work at Firebird are like you, it must be a real classy operation! Thanks for the insight into your operation, I will never do business with your company. I'll bet there is a Snap-On truck parked in your driveway, because you are definately a tool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 The question was actually posed legitimately at the start since they're identical. However, and I'm not blameless here, the convo did sorta blow up. Anyway, the interface between grip and adapter of course have to be the same in order for it to work, however, the interface between the adapter and gun certainly do not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Armand Willis 4 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Troll account? It's no secret that I work for Firebird. I was more concerned with the fact that "your" pistol grip adapter is dimensionally identical to Tromix's. If you'll notice, I didn't claim you copied Firebird's adapter because you didn't, ours is entirely different. On another note, all of our products are proudly made in the USA, try again. Wait, so you're saying a AR-15 grip adapter has the same dimensions? Don't AR-15 Grips and AR-15 lowers also share this same set of dimensions? Isn't that what the standard is all about? Did firebird copy Akadal's lower design? Lots of matching dimensions and design aspects. Didn't Armalite design that and then sell the patent to Colt which is now long since expired? I find it in poor taste to be lodging these attacks like this in public on a board you are both paying advertisers on. For one, it's not your fight - it's Tromix's. If they have an issue they should contact T&N directly to see if they can resolve it. I would hope Jim wouldn't approve of this behavior. Did firebird copy Akadal's lower design? Lots of matching dimensions and design aspects? Actually, the Firebird TAC-12 lower has almost no similarities to the Akdal lower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siggarue 0 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 When you've all got more parts on your shelves than you know what to do with then you can complain that 'his is the same as mine'. Until then make all you can make. Backorders in the gun industry are getting tiresome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 The question was actually posed legitimately at the start since they're identical. However, and I'm not blameless here, the convo did sorta blow up. Anyway, the interface between grip and adapter of course have to be the same in order for it to work, however, the interface between the adapter and gun certainly do not. Don't back pedal, just admit you are a tool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Take it as you will. I generally don't back down from a pissing contest but I started this one, albeit inadvertently, and got into the wrong. Either way, got the answer to my question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 When you've all got more parts on your shelves than you know what to do with then you can complain that 'his is the same as mine'. Until then make all you can make. Backorders in the gun industry are getting tiresome. Couldn't agreem more. T&N has been incredible to work with. Everything is typically in stock and ships fast, my emails were answered same day, phone is always answered, and they give clear dates on when new products will launch. I wish this was the industry standard. Stay classy T&N!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yeeb 3 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I am a new owner of an akdal, and have spent some time lurking on this forum planning what accessories to buy. I was under the impression that Firebird was a more established and professional company. After reading this thread, I will use discretion on who I buy from. Key things for me: 1. Quality/Value 2. Availibility 3. Customer Service/Reputation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Armand Willis 4 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I am a new owner of an akdal, and have spent some time lurking on this forum planning what accessories to buy. I was under the impression that Firebird was a more established and professional company. After reading this thread, I will use discretion on who I buy from. Key things for me: 1. Quality/Value 2. Availibility 3. Customer Service/Reputation How about innovation, creativity or originality? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yeeb 3 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 If the product peeks my interest, then sure. I see a lot of innovation going on, but not much delivery. Tooth seems to be cranking his stuff out. Has Tromix given up on the platform? Where are all the Firebird parts for sale at? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trappnguns 1 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 How about innovation, creativity or originality? I like stuff that works... if it looks or acts the same as another company's, I don't care. As long as it works as designed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G929 1 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Hello everyone I do more reading then posting and everything I have Lerne about shotguns have been hear all I wana know is whats the need of going at it for no reason all if this companys are Good at what they do is them who do the reasersh and spend who knows how much money to come up with a product to see if the market likes their products is just my 2cents..... Edited January 24, 2013 by G929 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Embermage 1 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 lol have to ask because I do want a new lower is T&N going to make one too? Because I will buy one in a sec from them, if not, I will go with Firebird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Against my better judgement, I have no choice but to respond to this mess. Anubis got out of line with this post and has been corrected. My apologies for that. For the record, not one component made by Firebird is made in China. All of our products are 100% USA made down to the screws and springs that are used. As for our new lower receiver, its not in any way a copy, its a stand alone upgraded replacement. The original manufacturer, Eksen arms holds the patent on the original polymer design. And I met the owners of Eksen arms directly last week, they were impressed with my work and had no issue with my designs or directions. I would like this back and forth stuff to stop. No staff or employee of Firebird will have any more involvment in this. I hope for the same in return. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 lol have to ask because I do want a new lower is T&N going to make one too? Because I will buy one in a sec from them, if not, I will go with Firebird. We WILL NOT be making a lower, we are planning on going a different route altogether, but that is at LEAST a year out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Embermage 1 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Awwww loving the foregrip, still waiting on getting the MKA back from the smith so I can post pictures of the stock conversion. Now to call Firebird tomorrow and get on the waiting list for the lower..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
congewe 14 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Competition drives superior products at great price points. As a consumer I want to thank all the companies making innovative products for the MKA platform. As we all know it came with short comings. Without these products the MKA may very well have faded away. That would have been unfortunate. I understand the competitive nature of companies competing for the same customer base. I’m not sure I understand the customers taking sides. They are not sport teams. If this makes me a tool I want to be a pipe wrench. Will never be cool enough to be a Snap-On though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Will never be cool enough to be a Snap-On though. With that avatar, you underestimate yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
congewe 14 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks Flatland. I'm feeling the love. That's just what this post has been lacking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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