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#1 csspecs

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:40 AM

I don't think its been brought up here but I have had MANY requests to make magazines for the Yugo M77.

 

I have in the past felt that it was out of our reach to make magazines of this type due to our past designs requiring weld on feedlips. Thanks in part to the Saiga 12 magazine project, and all the totally annoying parts we have had to make for it. We are at the point that we can probably tackle this.

 

Our current goal is to make the M77 magazine in a one piece body, much like the original magazines are made. We are using a few magazines to base parts off of, I don't like the factory 20rd M77 magazines for a few reasons.. They have a hurried feel to them, like the maker got mostly done with a good design and threw in the towel.. Interestingly the magazine is almost exactly the size of a Galil .308 mag, however due to the design of the Galil front catch it won't fit in the M77. So we are thinking its possible to get both rifles with the same magazine design with only a small alteration.

 

Some may ask why the M77 and not a PSL or .223. The main reason for this choice is that we have data on the .308 and want to try making a more economical magazine, which will allow for us to take the data and transfer it to the next design. 

 

We hope this is going to be a good step up in quality, while reducing costs a fair amount.

 

We are still working on the Saiga-12... And I am still making updates to other projects, we hope that 2014 will have four or five new product releases.

 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:21 AM

Did I hear s308 drum? Haha good work you are a great asset to the community. I hope these sell good and im sure they will be of top quality.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

Do you know if the newly imported m77 use the same magazine as the m77/m90 from the 90's?
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Posted 27 December 2013 - 08:05 PM

I have one of the old M77 magazines and it looks like a perfect match.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:56 PM

I'm sure you've considered this but it might be worth talking with Century or Zastava to find out how many have been, or will be imported.

I would hate to see you tool up for this only to find that it was a limited run.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:24 PM

Its is actually going to get three firearms with slight variations, fitting the M77 is just a nice coincidence.

 

I have spoken with Century however I still have to get in touch with marketing to get solid info.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 12:07 AM

I'd love to see these mags become reality. I'm using modified M-14 mags in mine. They work but just aren't quite right.
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Posted 29 December 2013 - 03:27 PM

whats the new order of things?

 

saiga-12

saiga .223

m77

psl

vepr 54



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:46 PM

Looking forward to these in a big way!

 

Sure hope everything works out and these hit the market soon


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:15 AM

whats the new order of things?

 

saiga-12

saiga .223

m77

psl

vepr 54

 

Saiga-12   Done

Vepr-12 (design done)

M77 - designing mostly complete

Galil .308 (m77 based, likely to shuffle downward)

Saiga .223

Catamout Fury-12 (saiga 12 based)

Valmet .308 mags (low production)

M14 mag (M77 based)

NDM 86 .308 (low production)

Vepr .223 (saiga .223 based)

 

 

The x54r magazines are open to move into the production schedule.

 

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 08:35 PM

NDM 86 mags??? Outstanding. I'll be all over them.super_man.gif


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:18 PM

Rough estimate on how far out you are on the M77 mags?
 

 

Looking for beta testers? 018.gif 
 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:05 AM

I'm waiting to get some of this "super alloy" sheet metal in to test bend take up and a few other things.

 

Also need to get my giant press ordered. Since the M77 magazines take three times the stamping pressure of a Saiga-12 mag.. I have a small frame testing press that I can make a few on, but its not a production machine.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 03:07 PM

i thought sales for the Catamout Fury-12 are very low? is it easy to adapt the saiga-12 mag to it?

also why the M14 mag isnt there a ton already in production?


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:39 PM

Adapting for the fury and vepr is the same project. They use similar alterations.

Part of the low sales is a lack of aftermarket.

 

The M-14 is likely to shuffle down the list farther. Mostly because the follower will need to be changed.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 05:17 PM

Hey man, curious on how your M77 experimentation is going, and if you have an estimated price point yet?



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:31 PM

Any chance of 20 rounders for the M76 ?


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 09:12 PM

Hey man, curious on how your M77 experimentation is going, and if you have an estimated price point yet?

 

We are waiting on Steel samples.. Should be a week or two until I get them. From there its just a lot of waiting, CNC shop, first, then testing, then laser cutting wait time, then finally production.

 

Estimated price is $30-$35 per mag for 20s

 

We are working on the Vepr-12 while we are waiting on the steel.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:01 PM

Will there be some sort of group buy at all to get things moving?



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

I hope the M77 becomes a consistent item in the next couple years, CSSpecs could sell a whole lot of them. Zastava seems to be way more reliable than Cugir or even Izhmash/Molot, and actually make changes to the gun when American buyers have complained about certain things, e.g. serial number location.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:31 PM

Will there be some sort of group buy at all to get things moving?

 

We should be fine to get through the first batch without locking up peoples funds.. I'm already throwing enough money at the problems to have them solved. There is no fast lane on industrial orders, so its going to be as long as its going to be, and there is not much I can do to change that.

 

 

I hope the M77 becomes a consistent item in the next couple years, CSSpecs could sell a whole lot of them. Zastava seems to be way more reliable than Cugir or even Izhmash/Molot, and actually make changes to the gun when American buyers have complained about certain things, e.g. serial number location.

 

Yeah, I hope the addition of magazines of quality and low price will catapult the rifle into a more popular market.

I'm kinda curious if the adjustable gas block would be useful with a suppressor. I'd imagine that is what its for.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:59 PM

It might be interesting to ask Zastava. I have seen them directly answer customer questions from users on other forums.

 

I think it's odd that the full-length barreled 5.56 and 7.62x51 Serbian designs have adjustable gas ports, while none of their other models/calibers do. This leads me to think the feature is how Zastava decided to make a tradeoff to get better overall accuracy with their newer service rifle designs, versus being severely overgassed like every other major AK design is.

 

These rifles (and their 5.56 variant) are known for being very accurate for an AK base design, and I think this is how it's done.

 

Since long-range accuracy is not really a top priority in the smaller short carbine versions, this feature is just left out, and the gun is given maximum gas by default.

 

Being able to adjust for heavy ball ammo is also nice, and avoids the issues the PSL has about switching ammo types around without tuning.

 

...all speculation



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 09:21 PM

Are the m77 mags available yet? And if not can I be notified someway when they do become available?

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 11:11 PM

You can send a note through customer service that you want to be on the contact list.

 

We are working on them as of Monday of this week. We had a lot of work done and are just correcting the plans by making sample strips of the magazines.. The Vepr-12 is what had us delayed. Now its completed and waiting for steel blanks.



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 07:29 AM

Awesome.. Thanks bud

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 04:41 PM

We are making great progress on this project..

 

Metal for the body stamp plates is due in around a week.

Testing has been very useful and productive, we had about 8 corrections to make and they all checked out once done.

 

We are at a cross roads with the follower design. We have two methods to make it, one is faster and the other is cheaper.. We may just make both tool sets, since sometimes you need to go fast, and others you want to maximize profits per unit made.

 

Floor plate will be the same type as used on the Saiga-12, with a skirt around the front, and two up raised stampings like the AK.

 

Calculated weight is around 9 ounces.. 20 rd length will be very close to a M-14 or G3 mag, so they should fit in those pouches.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 06:28 PM

I wish I had moneys to invest in your company.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:03 PM

Thanks for the update.. Patiently waiting lol!!

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:03 PM

Looking forward to these mags. Looks like between the Saiga-12, Vepr-12 and M77 mags, I will be spending a lot of money with your company by the end of the year.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:17 PM

We have been making good progress on the stamp plates for the M77. Should have the complicated side done tomorrow evening, probably two weeks or better to generate the rest of the tooling.


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