roblox84 1 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm wanting to get a shotgun but I am having a hard time choosing between the vepr and saiga. I was wondering if you guys can help me decide on which would be the better buy. The price coherence between the two is a hundred bucks just for reference so that isn't an issue. Thanks for any help. Edit....Difference not coherence. Fucking spellchecker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 get both 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornsj2 27 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I have both. I started with Saiga and that is my favorite. However, for the current price difference of a couple hundred dollars I would go Vepr (unless you know you want a specific setup with the Saiga). Note: I'm assuming IZ109 in sporter config. One thing I love about the Saiga is the availability of drum mags and aftermarket parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roblox84 1 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Get both, lol I wish. I like the abundance of accessories for the Saiga too that's what's making it hard to choose. The one thing that is making me lean towards the vepr is that I don't have to throw money at it right away since it comes with pistol grip and a nice stock already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I have both. I started with Saiga and that is my favorite. However, for the current price difference of a couple hundred dollars I would go Vepr (unless you know you want a specific setup with the Saiga). Note: I'm assuming IZ109 in sporter config. One thing I love about the Saiga is the availability of drum mags and aftermarket parts. Saiga...^^^^^^^^^^ One thing I love about the Saiga is the availability of aftermarket parts...x2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roblox84 1 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Are they both just as reliable? Reason I ask because there are many posts that mention the saiga not handling cheap birdshot well. I know this can be fixed by a gunsmith but is it really a problem with all Saigas or just some? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Get a Saiga and have Tac47 in texas dial it in for you. Don't let just any yahoo work on your saiga. Lots of self proclaimed gunsmiths out there. The VEPR is nice but you are limited on aftermarket magazines, parts and accessories. This is a Saiga forum so you kinda went to a ford forum to ask about a chevy. Anyway, good luck with your new shotgun. They are both dependable. The VEPR is pretty and polished but I believe the Saiga is much closer to an AK that could be neglected all it's life by teenagers in Africa and still fire. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Are they both just as reliable? Reason I ask because there are many posts that mention the saiga not handling cheap birdshot well. I know this can be fixed by a gunsmith but is it really a problem with all Saigas or just some? Roblox84, http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/66484-v-plug-adjustable-gas-knob/ I have friends that run walmart bird shot through theirs. You know the 100rds for $25 I don't think you need a gunsmith to have a saiga to run bird shot, but if you do there are a few on this site.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The trick is to be able to get a saiga to run birdshot and hot 00 reliably with a flick of the gas adjustment knob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The trick is to be able to get a saiga to run birdshot and hot 00 reliably with a flick of the gas adjustment knob. Time spent knowing your firearm (S12) will help bridge the gap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KTM 72 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 100 $ difference between an unconverted S-12 and a V-12 and you guys are seriously going to tell this guy to get the Saiga ? Bad advice all around. There are plenty of V-12 mags and accessories available. I have both and the Vepr is far superior in every way 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 100 $ difference between an unconverted S-12 and a V-12 and you guys are seriously going to tell this guy to get the Saiga ? Bad advice all around. There are plenty of V-12 mags and accessories available. I have both and the Vepr is far superior in every way Point Taken..^^^^^^^^^ Atlantic has the Vepr 12 for $1100, GunBroker have unconverted Saiga for $800. IDK, $100 difference between the 2, one could be a real steal or the other is very pricey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Vepr. Never mind the features, the build quality alone of the Vepr, is far superior. Yes I own both and really like my Saiga (took effort to get it where I have it) but if I had to choose one as a new purchase and after doing some research, it'd be the V12. Edited November 13, 2014 by Mullet Man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I depends on what you want to do with it. If you are going to leave it long then the V12 is hard to beat left basically unmodified. If you want something short, the Saiga 12 is king. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roblox84 1 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) The gun store near me has the v12 for $999 and I think the saiga on Atlantic runs for $850. Honestly the only mod I was thinking of doing was getting a high capacity drum and a muzzle brake. I'm almost sure that the saiga 12 will cost me a lot more in the long run, as of now I'm leaning a little more towards the Vepr just because I don't plan on upgrading too much. Just out of curiosity if I sent a saiga to a place like tac47 or lone star arms to convert it (pistol grip, stock, foregrip) and install the reliability kit to shoot birdshot do you guys know how much would all those extras run? Edited November 13, 2014 by roblox84 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Go look in the vendor section Tromix, Lone Star, Cobra and Tac 47 all have good reviews and make some awesome weapons. Pricing can range from 800 to ??? depending on what you want. Also look up what evlblkwpnz has done. You mentioned a drum, have not seen one yet for the Vepr yet. What you should do is figure out what you want in the end. Are you looking to use this tool for a specific purpose or is it just a toy? Research this site (use Google) and look at what people have/had done to theirs. Look at the vendors sites and see what they can do. Sending a gun off may take time to get it back, or even just get on the build list. Remember when you do decide and get your new tool, someone else will come out with something that will make you drool................ Edited November 13, 2014 by Dad2142Dad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The V12 will do everything the S12 will, and be better finished, and don't weigh much more at all, and will be in its proper configuration from the get go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KTM 72 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Vepr -12 drums are in the works, hard to say when they'll actually be available though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 In the current importation ban - get the first one you can find! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PRISONSHANK 70 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Vepr will be worth more in the future than a saiga youve converted to your liking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) The gun store near me has the v12 for $999 and I think the saiga on Atlantic runs for $850. Honestly the only mod I was thinking of doing was getting a high capacity drum and a muzzle brake. I'm almost sure that the saiga 12 will cost me a lot more in the long run, as of now I'm leaning a little more towards the Vepr just because I don't plan on upgrading too much. Just out of curiosity if I sent a saiga to a place like tac47 or lone star arms to convert it (pistol grip, stock, foregrip) and install the reliability kit to shoot birdshot do you guys know how much would all those extras run? And the name/phone number of the gun store that has the $999 vepr, thats already to roll, NIB...???? Edited November 13, 2014 by SmilinEd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Centerfire has them for 999. maxrounds makes a drum for v12 and we are working on one as well 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roblox84 1 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Sorry its not a local store to me, I don't know why I said that. It's actually K-Var in Nevada so local to someone else. The website is K-Var.com and its listed at $1099 but the guy quoted me $999 over the phone. I went with the Vepr as I really don't feel like converting anything at this point also there are very nice drums for sale here: http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/vepr12_drum_mag.jpg. They are pricey though but I guess Atlantic is coming out with some too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinEd 364 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Well I'm surprised there are any (S12-Vepr12) available from several online stores. When I was in the market for the S308 I could not find any new (not paying $1200 either) and the S39 shit was drying up also. Went to several sites and noticed that a few still had the shotguns but 1k is $500 more than I pd for my unconverted S12. Some of those outfits must be sitting on a boat load of inventory if they are willing to drop $100 over the phone. Good luck and enjoy ur new purchase.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roblox84 1 Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Unfortunately the guy emailed me back and corrected his first quote. It ended up being 1099. It's weird because everyone is saying these guns are banned but I was under the impression that Putin sold the gun companies to a civilian to circumvent the US blacklist of Russian gun companies? Anyways if only I knew gun prices would rise higher then the stock market ever did I would have been stockpiling these weapons as an investment, oh well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 The trick is to be able to get a saiga to run birdshot and hot 00 reliably with a flick of the gas adjustment knob. Time spent knowing your firearm (S12) will help bridge the gap If you get a stock saiga NIB and it runs birdshot and 00 with proper adjustment and break in, consider yourself lucky, very lucky. European ammunition is very hot compared to ours and my guess is that's why most saigas won't run bird shot reliably. They may have changed the size of the holes in later years to make the US market happy. My old import wouldn't run bird shot for shit when dialed in. It ran game loads perfectly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Have fun with your new VEPR! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Just as an aside, and I hate to be this guy. If you are planning to use a mag with a capacity over 5 rounds, you would be required to convert either gun to comply with 922r. As you are manufacturing a firearm with a mag change and if you use a capacity that exceeds "sporting configuration" you are breaking federal law. You should have had that worked into your equation for cost with either before making a choice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KTM 72 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 ^^^^ true ^^^ but I personally don't care and nobody is out there counting parts anyways. Don't go committing any crimes and who's ever going to know ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 ^^^^ true ^^^ but I personally don't care and nobody is out there counting parts anyways. Don't go committing any crimes and who's ever going to know ? I have had a sheriff check my shotgun before. Cover your ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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